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  # 1401255 6-Oct-2015 19:53
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Geez - even I'd be going to see a doctor. Thats too much weight too fast. Pure and simple - there's something wrong.

I lost 2 kgs on Sunday. Took a 20km run in 23 degree heat to achieve that. I run 30 - 50kms a week and over a couple of years have lost around 8 kilos. Cant get below 86 and I dont care. Eat what I like., Drink what I like. Sleep like a baby. And take zero supplements or pills. But thats me. 

So see a doctor and stop fixating. Weighing yourself after a shower is fixation. You'll put weight on simply because of moisture absorption. You'll be telling us you weigh yourself before and after going to the loo next! A weigh-in once a week , max is all you should need - but get the underlying issue dealt with first.

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  # 1401260 6-Oct-2015 20:00
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minimoke: Geez - even I'd be going to see a doctor. Thats too much weight too fast. Pure and simple - there's something wrong.

I lost 2 kgs on Sunday. Took a 20km run in 23 degree heat to achieve that. I run 30 - 50kms a week and over a couple of years have lost around 8 kilos. Cant get below 86 and I dont care. Eat what I like., Drink what I like. Sleep like a baby. And take zero supplements or pills. But thats me. 

So see a doctor and stop fixating. Weighing yourself after a shower is fixation. You'll put weight on simply because of moisture absorption. You'll be telling us you weigh yourself before and after going to the loo next! A weigh-in once a week , max is all you should need - but get the underlying issue dealt with first.


You may have lost water weight, not fat. One pound of fat is 3500 calories. Two lose 2kg = 15,400 calories, which would require running for approximately 17 hours.

 
 
 
 


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  # 1401264 6-Oct-2015 20:05
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minimoke: Geez - even I'd be going to see a doctor. Thats too much weight too fast. Pure and simple - there's something wrong.

I lost 2 kgs on Sunday. Took a 20km run in 23 degree heat to achieve that. I run 30 - 50kms a week and over a couple of years have lost around 8 kilos. Cant get below 86 and I dont care. Eat what I like., Drink what I like. Sleep like a baby. And take zero supplements or pills. But thats me. 

So see a doctor and stop fixating. Weighing yourself after a shower is fixation. You'll put weight on simply because of moisture absorption. You'll be telling us you weigh yourself before and after going to the loo next! A weigh-in once a week , max is all you should need - but get the underlying issue dealt with first.


You may have lost water weight, not fat. One pound of fat is 3500 calories. Two lose 2kg = 15,400 calories, which would require running for approximately 17 hours.

Oh yes it was definitely water I lost. 2,300 calories burnt though. Put the weight back on in the evening drinking loads of water and half a bottle of wine.



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  # 1402889 9-Oct-2015 10:05
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Seems that the Tart Cheery is doing its thing, as I've been sleeping very well for the last week (or as I said, it was nerves)




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  # 1404237 12-Oct-2015 11:52
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Update ('cause I can)

Gained 2kg since I last weighed myself, hope it is muscle and not fat (111kg)
Have lost 2cm from my waist/belly which is good
Sleep issues seem to be resolved (though I do seem to wake up at 4am pretty constantly)

This week I am away from home for a few days so suspect my routine will get slightly out of wack

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  # 1404269 12-Oct-2015 12:35
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Someone new to weightlifting can gain 1kg of muscle per month if they work hard. You might get a bit more beginners gains before that. 2kg in any short space of time will be water or fat. Waist size is a good indicator though, if that's going down you're probably doing ok :)



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  # 1405629 14-Oct-2015 12:29
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Interesting article, probably haven't gained any muscle then.
Loss of a few cm around the waist is a good sign for me that things are working.



 
 
 
 


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  # 1405651 14-Oct-2015 13:07
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Short term fluctuations are all due to water movement




Involuntary autocorrect in operation on mobile device. Apologies in advance.




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  # 1409216 19-Oct-2015 13:47
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nzkiwiman: Update ('cause I can)

Gained 2kg since I last weighed myself, hope it is muscle and not fat (111kg)
Have lost 2cm from my waist/belly which is good
Sleep issues seem to be resolved (though I do seem to wake up at 4am pretty constantly)

This week I am away from home for a few days so suspect my routine will get slightly out of wack


Weekly update

2kg gone (down to 109kg)
Another 2cm from the waist (12cm to go)

Need to push myself to add another set of reps to my weights each day :-)

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  # 1409294 19-Oct-2015 15:31
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Another set each day may be ambitious. Sometimes even a single rep is a good gain, but beginners gain more quickly.



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  # 1424470 10-Nov-2015 15:53
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Still plugging away at this
Currently at 106kg and have lost another 3cm from the waist since the last update.

Been alternating a HIIT workout with the first stage of Convict Conditioning, with one rest day per week

 

Starting to get comments from people I know who are noticing the weight loss which is a good booster.

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  # 1426999 12-Nov-2015 15:56
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Nice one bud and good on you for keeping up with it.

I have natural melatonin tablets I take every now and then and I can say it definitely works, much stronger than the cherry tart or sleep drops. You literally get sleepy within 15mins. But I don't recommend you take this every night. Just when you really need it. Avoid the doc for prescriptions if it's not serious, as it stays on your records which insurance companies look out for.

Anyways, the main point I'm here is to say that your work life could be the reason you found/find it difficult to sleep during the week. Something is stressing you out whether you realise it or not.

Exercise can help release stress, or writing a list of what you need to do the next day before you go to bed. Routine helps, sleeping naked helps ;) and finding ways to calm the mind.

I find this helps me a lot - I play a long video on YouTube of something somewhat boring on low volume so I actually have to focus a lot just to hear it and then move the screen out of sight so I just heard background noise and the room stays mostly dark.


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  # 1430821 19-Nov-2015 07:32
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I noticed some earlier comments about taking 5htp. I know this is a recent fad but I'd be a little careful with this, there are some heart risks associated with 5htp. It's true that 5htp will convert to seratonin which will supress hunger (and make you grind your teeth at night) but raising seratonin usually drops dopamine and that comes with a whole set of problems such as desensitising dopamine pathways.
If you are noticing an increase in body temp (other than directly related to exercise) and weight loss at your rate I'd get your thyroid tested, get t3 and t4 tested not just overall.
I'd seriously recommend not fiddling with your neurotransmitters and if you have to, do it with foods and b6 ie use natural precursors, not 5htp or tyrosine. Once or twice wont hurt you but forums like nootropics or longecity have multiple accounts of this causing quite long term issues.

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  # 1431770 20-Nov-2015 14:56
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dickytim: I have had Melatonin tablets that I was given after my relationship ended and I was not coping!

There are 2 ploblems with Melatonin - The cost, the are really expensive.

The side effects, I found that when I took them I got about 4 hours sleep then I was awake for 4 hours trying to get back to sleep, my dreams were really weird and very vivid and I ended up very tired during the day so my sleep patterns ended up being badly mixed up.


My experience was yes vivid dreams. But they didn't keep me up, or make me lose sleep. And because they regulated my sleep it helped a lot. 




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  # 1431772 20-Nov-2015 15:03
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A few comments.

Firstly 2-3 kgs per week is maximal healthy weight loss. So 10 over that period - that's bad for your health. It stresses the organs. So lose more slowly.

Secondly, why would this be impacting your sleep? Are you literally almost fasting, at night, three days a week? Thats probably more than you should be. Try some soup before you go to bed. 

As for the whole issue of sleep - there are some interesting sleep related methods, that people don't seem to know about as commonly-

Magnesium - repair at the cellular level during sleep is magnesium dependant - end result, if you sleep less than is ideal, magnesium can help it count more, in terms of how you feel the next day. Really handy. You'll want a chelated for that doesn't upset the stomach. 

Choline (can be found in lecithin), helps you sleep and wake more efficiently. If you need to be active and onto it, choline can help - be warned that while like magnesium it makes sleep more efficient, it also tends makes you sleep lighter, so you may end up waking up with the dawn.

Chamomile - duh.

Hot showers - the body naturally cools when falling asleep, so the muscle relaxation and cooling of having a shower just before bed, helps you sleep.

Sleep Hygiene - blue light at night prevents melatonin from signalling normal sleep patterns. Use f.lux on your PC, avoid bright screens, blue light - turn the house lighting down before sleep, and do something relaxing before bed, like listen to some chill music, nature sounds, meditate or read a book. Before artificial lighting, the brightest light at night would have been the fire - and its warm, not blue. Dimmer light at night, with less blue, makes a _huge_ difference to how tired you will feel. 




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