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  Reply # 1450228 14-Dec-2015 16:29
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I think side by side comparison is always best: Not sure how accurate are google's findings but here it goes.
You decide whats good for your body whats not..
comparison

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  Reply # 1450237 14-Dec-2015 16:34
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meat has 14% iron and 0%vitamin c.. It needs a miracle to absorb that much of iron..innocent

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1450256 14-Dec-2015 17:11
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That's the thing about meat - the iron is readily absorbed It is hypothesised that another (unknown) compound in meat mediates this absorption.

The iron in broccoli however is not ... but broccoli has other dietary benefits.

geekbhaji: meat has 14% iron and 0%vitamin c.. It needs a miracle to absorb that much of iron..innocent




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  Reply # 1451991 17-Dec-2015 06:40
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In summary eating broccoli and meat plus other foods to create a balanced diet is best.

On the broccoli calories front doesn't broccoli use more calories to digest that it provides?




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  Reply # 1456817 24-Dec-2015 22:30
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vow, it that really true? I know there some vegetarians. They don't eat any meat. But they are still healthy. that's because vegetable is easy for digestion. 

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  Reply # 1459720 1-Jan-2016 08:54
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sbiddle: I remember a TV ad from the old days (I'm guessing probably the '90s) that showed a piece of meat on a plate and a plate of spinach comparing how much of both you needed to get the recommended intake of (off the top of my head) iron. As you can imagine the piece of meat was small. The plate of spinach was huge.



Yep.
Likewise broccoli.

Anyway, imagine it - BBQed broccoli and spinach. Mmm. You'd be so popular wouldn't you.
Bacon sandwich with broccoli instead of the bacon.

Roast broccoli and gravy.

Spaghetti Broccoli.

Pizza with -what else - broccoli.

And one thing a lot of people don't know. The B12, iron deficiency takes a long time to show symptoms.
Then - it takes a long time to correct.

 

Untreated anemia can lead to neurological complications, and in serious cases, death.

 

 

 

Common symptoms include fatigue, depression, low-grade fevers, diarrhea, dyspepsia,weight loss, neuropathic pain, jaundice, glossitis (swollen, red and smooth appearance of the tongue),angular cheilitis (sores at the corner of the mouth), dehydrated/cracked and pale lips and dark circles around the eyes (look of exhaustion), brittle nails, and thinning and early greying of the hair.

 

 

 

Because it affects the nervous system, symptoms may also include difficulty in proprioception, memory changes, mild cognitive impairment (including difficulty concentrating and sluggish responses, colloquially referred to as brain fog), psychosis, impaired urination, loss of sensation in the feet, unsteady gait, difficulty in walking, muscle weakness and clumsiness.

 

 

 

Anemia may cause tachycardia (rapid heartbeat) and cardiac murmurs, along with a yellow waxy pallor, low blood pressure, high blood pressure, and shortness of breath (known as 'the sighs').

 

 

 

The deficiency also may present with thyroid disorders

 

 

 

In severe cases, the anemia may cause evidence of congestive heart failure. A complication of severe chronic anemia is subacute combined degeneration of spinal cord, which leads to distal sensory loss (posterior column), absent ankle reflex, increased knee reflex response, and extensor plantar response

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  Reply # 1459756 1-Jan-2016 10:52
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timmmay: All advertising is about twisting facts to suit your agenda or position.


Graphs are a great example. manipulate the X and Y axis to show that awesome upward result, or that awesome downward result. Misalign the axis delineators, or lets start one at 0 and the other at 30.

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  Reply # 1459758 1-Jan-2016 10:57
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MikeB4:
Geektastic: Nothing on earth would induce me to eat broccoli instead of meat!! It is a foul creation of the Devil himself, Beelzebub's very breath given form.


And Brussell Sprouts are it's evil twin


Ban this guy!!  I love Brussel Sprouts, and silver beet. Broccoli is ok. I read somewhere that broccoli is a great health food. 

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  Reply # 1459759 1-Jan-2016 10:58
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Rikkitic: Yum, asparagus. Wonderful on toast. I have it every morning for breakfast during the season.



Ive only tried the in can version, its soft and mushy and yummy, how do you do yours? 

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  Reply # 1459760 1-Jan-2016 11:05
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Fred99: I find the whole thing about food preference / diet / health overwhelmingly frustrating and confusing - scientifically, morally, socially.  




I do too, there is so much pros and cons of everything, then the bias added in. 

I want a guide of what to eat and why, so I can tailor my diet as required, i.e. low activity, higher activity, and the daily requirements for general good health.
but thats all pretty hard when you read the do this and don't do that biases. Bias is fine, but I don't know the truthful bias.

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  Reply # 1459765 1-Jan-2016 11:16
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pctek:
sbiddle: I remember a TV ad from the old days (I'm guessing probably the '90s) that showed a piece of meat on a plate and a plate of spinach comparing how much of both you needed to get the recommended intake of (off the top of my head) iron. As you can imagine the piece of meat was small. The plate of spinach was huge.



Yep.
Likewise broccoli.

Anyway, imagine it - BBQed broccoli and spinach. Mmm. You'd be so popular wouldn't you.
Bacon sandwich with broccoli instead of the bacon.

Roast broccoli and gravy.

Spaghetti Broccoli.

Pizza with -what else - broccoli.

And one thing a lot of people don't know. The B12, iron deficiency takes a long time to show symptoms.
Then - it takes a long time to correct.

Untreated anemia can lead to neurological complications, and in serious cases, death.   Common symptoms include fatigue, depression, low-grade fevers, diarrhea, dyspepsia,weight loss, neuropathic pain, jaundice, glossitis (swollen, red and smooth appearance of the tongue),angular cheilitis (sores at the corner of the mouth), dehydrated/cracked and pale lips and dark circles around the eyes (look of exhaustion), brittle nails, and thinning and early greying of the hair.   Because it affects the nervous system, symptoms may also include difficulty in proprioception, memory changes, mild cognitive impairment (including difficulty concentrating and sluggish responses, colloquially referred to as brain fog), psychosis, impaired urination, loss of sensation in the feet, unsteady gait, difficulty in walking, muscle weakness and clumsiness.   Anemia may cause tachycardia (rapid heartbeat) and cardiac murmurs, along with a yellow waxy pallor, low blood pressure, high blood pressure, and shortness of breath (known as 'the sighs').   The deficiency also may present with thyroid disorders   In severe cases, the anemia may cause evidence of congestive heart failure. A complication of severe chronic anemia is subacute combined degeneration of spinal cord, which leads to distal sensory loss (posterior column), absent ankle reflex, increased knee reflex response, and extensor plantar response


I don't understand why carnivores feel such a need to be smug and condescending to vegetarians. I am prepared to respect your choice, why can't you do the same?

I have been a vegetarian for most of my life. I have always looked many years younger than my age. When I was in my 40s, I was refused alcohol service in the USA because they wouldn't believe I was 21. My IQ is far above the median and I am entirely self-educated. I am multilingual and  until retirement I earned my living as a technical writer. I am now 72 and I have never had any health problems, in spite of smoking heavily for 40 years.

Enjoy your meat. 





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  Reply # 1459768 1-Jan-2016 11:21
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tdgeek:
Rikkitic: Yum, asparagus. Wonderful on toast. I have it every morning for breakfast during the season.



Ive only tried the in can version, its soft and mushy and yummy, how do you do yours? 


I actually also like tinned asparagus but fresh is my favourite. I place it in a frying pan covered with water and briefly boil before putting on toast.





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  Reply # 1459783 1-Jan-2016 12:11
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MikeAqua: That's the thing about meat - the iron is readily absorbed It is hypothesised that another (unknown) compound in meat mediates this absorption.

The iron in broccoli however is not ... but broccoli has other dietary benefits.

geekbhaji: meat has 14% iron and 0%vitamin c.. It needs a miracle to absorb that much of iron..innocent


Heme iron may be too readily absorbed, or at least when meat is eaten in the quantities commonly aspired to: http://nutritionfacts.org/video/the-safety-of-heme-vs-non-heme-iron/

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  Reply # 1466707 9-Jan-2016 19:59
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As someone who doesnt eat grains, sugar, legumes, and many other things its very hard to eat vegetarian without eating too much fruit which is bad for blood sugar levels. my options for carbs are sweet potatos and pumpkin. so i eat pretty much a paleo diet, but its an Auto Immune Protocol. Which looks like a lot of cruciferous, green leavy veg and coloured veg like sweet potato, tomato. on top of that i eat mostly fish, fish oil an red meat once a week at a low volume.

i eat mostly mono meals, meaning it eat one type of food at once, i dont make meals like cooking, i eat whole.

as for meat, and protein. those that swallow a lot of meat a day, do you consider the cholesterol, omega ratio and the acidity level required. In my personal opinion we need a lot less protein than promoted in propaganda.

each to their own.

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  Reply # 1466922 10-Jan-2016 11:58
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TeaLeaf: As someone who doesnt eat grains, sugar, legumes, and many other things its very hard to eat vegetarian without eating too much fruit which is bad for blood sugar levels. my options for carbs are sweet potatos and pumpkin. so i eat pretty much a paleo diet, but its an Auto Immune Protocol. Which looks like a lot of cruciferous, green leavy veg and coloured veg like sweet potato, tomato. on top of that i eat mostly fish, fish oil an red meat once a week at a low volume

I guess grains includes rice?  If not, then the kremkin diet developed at a US university, had people recovering from type 2 diabetes, hypertension and more based on a diet primarily centered around white rice and fruit.  It's very compelling, but of course while it worked for most participants if I recall correctly, it didn't work for some and the participants were generally monitored for an initial period.

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