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  Reply # 1466954 10-Jan-2016 13:08
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Rikkitic: I don't understand why carnivores feel such a need to be smug and condescending to vegetarians. I am prepared to respect your choice, why can't you do the same?

I have been a vegetarian for most of my life. I have always looked many years younger than my age. When I was in my 40s, I was refused alcohol service in the USA because they wouldn't believe I was 21. My IQ is far above the median and I am entirely self-educated. I am multilingual and  until retirement I earned my living as a technical writer. I am now 72 and I have never had any health problems, in spite of smoking heavily for 40 years.

Congratulations on your good health in your 70's.  I suspect the genetic lottery has a big hand in it, but that said, a really good recent study that I as a carnivore found compelling that was directly related to the benefits of a long term vegetarian diet, is one done on seventh day adventists.  From what I understand, the vegans and vegetarians came out of it really well, BUT then it's arguable that the pesco-vegetarians were even better off.  BUT then in a separate study in Europe, the levels of PCBs in fish were ~5x than beef, which was next highest.  BUT then many of the older adventists who feature in the good results, possibly pre-date the pollution.

As a carnivore, I rarely respect the choice of a vegetarian.  My personal experience, is that many adopt it and become fundamentalist advocates.  And it gets tiring to hear about it.  And it's easier to put your fingers in your ears and go lalalala than to hear how someone is a vegetarian, and anecdotal reasoning about how well it works (read your second paragraph), or it being advocated with poor science or reasoning (read the first post in this thread).

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  Reply # 1466981 10-Jan-2016 13:48
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Thanks for the good wishes but I was just trying to make a point in response to the post I was reacting to, which I found smug, silly and annoying. I fully agree with your dislike of fundamentalist advocates. I get equally tired of all the snide comments from certain carnivores expressing the presumed superiority of their lifestyle choice over mine, or the presumed dangers of not consuming meat. I don't care if one choice is healthier than the other, and I don't care what evidence there is one way or the other. I also have no interest in converting my carnivore friends, all of whom are carnivores. I respect them, they respect me, and I just wish everyone else did the same.

I reject your reality and substitute my own. - Adam Savage


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  Reply # 1471337 14-Jan-2016 21:07
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As a carnivore, I rarely respect the choice of a vegetarian. 

wow how tolerant of you, not respecting people based on their diet? hate to think of what you think of people who wear white socks or own iphones.

you make being a carnivore sound like a statement of who you are. its just food man. everyone has different needs. most of those go back to where their gene pool developed millennia ago and there are large groups of people who thrive largely on these high vegetarian diets because thats what there ancestory lines ate.

i know you probably didnt mean to sound obnoxious, but it really isnt that serious is it?

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