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  Reply # 1666857 9-Nov-2016 20:33 Send private message

Although there's still sugar present in Weetabix which should not have been there in the first place, but I add pure Russian honey just to make sure that I am getting all the required nutrients to start my day off.


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  Reply # 1674680 20-Nov-2016 20:39 Send private message

I got a different question. Is it okay to add more and more sugar in food habit for a slim skinny person? I mean, how will the added sugar be harmful for him? If anybody care to help a little then please quote this post.


 

 



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  Reply # 1678712 28-Nov-2016 11:18 Send private message

Nisham:

 

I got a different question. Is it okay to add more and more sugar in food habit for a slim skinny person? I mean, how will the added sugar be harmful for him? If anybody care to help a little then please quote this post.

 

 

 

 

I suggest not - at least not "sugar" as in table sugar, honey, a lot of fruit juice, lollies, cakes and biscuits etc.

 

There's plenty of evidence - and it's growing - of the harm from excess sucrose/fructose.  Deliberately going on a high sucrose/fructose diet to increase weight is IMO a crazy and risky thing to do.  Some of the diseases associated with excess sugar may be more common in overweight people, but "skinny" people also get gout, diabetes, heart disease, strokes etc etc.

 

If the "slim skinny person" truly needs to increase bulk, surely it's better to aim to keep BMI within guidelines, and increase muscle mass through a balanced but perhaps increased protein & complex carb diet, combined with exercise - rather than just aim to increase body fat.

 

"Skinny" can be quite subjective too - ie some people call me "skinny", but at about 1.78m / 74kg I'm not "skinny" but with BMI about 23, that's actually above mid-range for "ideal" (BMI 18.5 - 24). Yet only around 25% of adult males fall into that band or below, the new "normal" (50th percentile) have BMI of about 28 = overweight/slightly obese.

 

If BMI is below a normal range, then first get them to see a Dr to check that there isn't some underlying condition behind the low weight.  


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  Reply # 1697995 3-Jan-2017 19:57 Send private message

A couple of articles in the UK Telegraph online:

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/03/office-cake-culture-fueling-obesity-crisis-treats-should-swapped/

 

I don't work in an office - so don't see this directly.  SWMBO does work in an office, confirms the following comment from the article is a real issue - though I suspect more for women than men:

 

“You may not know who in the office is secretly dieting in which case they won’t appreciate your gesture: if you do know, you’re plainly malicious".

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/03/children-have-half-daily-recommended-sugar-school/

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 1700707 10-Jan-2017 07:22 One person supports this post Send private message

Yeah there are a couple of people at my workplace like that who like to bring in cakes or homemade biscuits to share around. All it takes is the discipline to say "no thanks, I don't eat cake".

 

The upside is it intrigues some people (you don't eat cake!?!?) to ask about your diet.


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  Reply # 1700912 10-Jan-2017 14:14 Send private message

dipkiwi:

 

Yeah there are a couple of people at my workplace like that who like to bring in cakes or homemade biscuits to share around. All it takes is the discipline to say "no thanks, I don't eat cake".

 

The upside is it intrigues some people (you don't eat cake!?!?) to ask about your diet.

 

 

Decline cake, and some will see it as a slur.

 

I get those questions about diet, I have no doubt many are "loaded questions".  There's kickback against perceived "fat-shaming".
It's actually not very different from the subtle pressure to drink alcohol socially.  It's as if an "excuse" to not drink is needed by some to explain why you declined a beer etc.


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  Reply # 1701642 11-Jan-2017 20:25 Send private message

Nisham:

 

I got a different question. Is it okay to add more and more sugar in food habit for a slim skinny person? I mean, how will the added sugar be harmful for him? If anybody care to help a little then please quote this post.

 

 

 

 

I would to like to add to what Fred99 has already said about this.

 


I was skinny as a kid and young adult through my twenties. Could always eat whatever I liked and never got fat. So I did make the mistake of eating and drinking lots of junk food. Coke, beer, cakes and biscuits, chocolate bars and frozen pizzas and noodles and cereals and bread is what I basically lived on from my mid twenties to early forties. Slowly but surely without noticing I nearly complete destroyed my health. I had to eat every couple of hours otherwise I felt like I was starving to death with lightheadedness and shaking hands. This was also accompanied with a slowly but steadily increasing pot belly. I became a skinny-fat metabolically dysregulated 42 year old kiwi male heading towards diabetes and cardiovascular issues no doubt.

 

The problem with a skinny person eating lots of sugary things thinking they are okay because they don't look fat, is nobody sees the fatty liver they are developing, their bad lipid profile of low HDL and high triglycerides, and their constantly elevated blood sugar and insulin levels.  

 

Thankfully I have realized my mistakes now and have overhauled my diet and lifestyle for the better. If only I knew 20 years ago what I know now.


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  Reply # 1701646 11-Jan-2017 20:33 Send private message

Fred99:

 

I get those questions about diet, I have no doubt many are "loaded questions".  There's kickback against perceived "fat-shaming".
It's actually not very different from the subtle pressure to drink alcohol socially.  It's as if an "excuse" to not drink is needed by some to explain why you declined a beer etc.

 

 

 

 

Yeah I've noticed that vibe as well.

 

Not to mention the kickback against Paleo/LCHF/Real-Whole-Food coming from profession dietitians that seem to spend most of their time lately writing media articles that try to discourage people from following these "fad diets".


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  Reply # 1701775 12-Jan-2017 06:22 Send private message

Fred99:

 

WRT Weetbix, the nutritional label shows about 3.3g / 100g.  Not sure how many weetbix bikkies weigh 100g, but they're dry/light, and I'd guess quite a few.

 

"Sugar" is listed as an ingredient, but some of the "sugar" in the nutritional panel will be from maltose (from malt extract) as opposed to "sucrose" (cane sugar).

 

Seriously, I wouldn't worry about it too much - unless you're piling masses of sugar on top.  You'd be eating half a packet before you'd be getting near the sugar (sucrose) content of a glass of soft drink or chocolate milk or orange juice.

 

Sucrose (and in particular the 50% of sucrose which is fructose) has certain implications and intake should be limited - IMO - but there's not much sucrose in weetbix.  How much - I don't know - the labelling system sucks, sucrose and fructose content should be stated in the same way that trans fats are required to be separately identified in many products, IMO.  However, that creates a problem for sellers of products containing "natural" sugars from fruit etc, where content and composition will vary.

 

OTOH, most of the rest of it is starch, which your digestive system starting with saliva converts to glucose very quickly, the only thing stopping it from dumping a lot of glucose directly in to your bloodstream quickly (which might not be a great idea) is the fibre content - which is there - but not "high".  I don't know.  There's also a lot of wheat (obviously) and gluten, the gluten an issue to people with celiac disease, but it's also loaded with other proteins and fodmaps as well as the starch, and there's some evidence that perhaps that's not great either, with some possible unusual effects (on gut health, and from there on general health).

 

In the end, I don't think anybody knows, the more I learn, the more I realise how little "experts" know - and worse, how many "experts" are just salesman selling mass-produced food from global producers.  As soon as I feel that way, I have some idiot telling me that if I eat a pomegranate or an avocado or a handful of raw nuts a day, I'll be fathering children when I'm 125 years old - in my spare time between mountaineering and triathlons. I don't believe them either.

 

TL:DR version:
There's not much sugar in Weetbix - if you're OK with a high wheat/grain diet, just eat it.

 

 

 

 

A box of weet-bix is 750g and contains 48 weet-bix = 15g each x 4 = 60g = 1.6g with half a cup of milk that goes to 5.9g sugar, meaning the milk has more sugar content.

 

I have cut out adding sugar to my weet-bix or coffee in the morning and virtually cut out soft drinks, before xmas I dripped 2.5kg in 3 weeks quite easily, and that was with out increasing my exercise, over xmas I put back on around 1kg, that was from eating out, having caramel latte's and xmas day excess. I am pretty close to being back on the wagon this week and have dropped 500g of what I have put on.

 

I do consume 2-3 bottles of cider most nights at the moment but that is tempered by adding exercise as I am building a fence at the moment digging 600mm+ deep post holes by hand every 1200mm!

 

Interestingly my 750g box shows 2.8g per 100g but these do taste like crap! I usually have the 1.5kg box.





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  Reply # 1702358 13-Jan-2017 06:23 Send private message

Cthom:

 

Although there's still sugar present in Weetabix which should not have been there in the first place, but I add pure Russian honey just to make sure that I am getting all the required nutrients to start my day off.

 

 

Why should weetbix have no sugar?





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  Reply # 1702359 13-Jan-2017 06:25 Send private message

On another point, there seems to be 2 recipes for Weet-Bix, the Australian version and the NZ version.

 

Australian version is 750g box

 

NZ version is 500g and 1.5kg box.

 

The Australian version is barely edible without sugar added!

 

I have started adding a banana, but this is less than ideal as well.





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  Reply # 1709675 25-Jan-2017 22:45 Send private message

I am a strong advocate of the saying "everything in moderation". I am somewhat frustrated with the recent witch-hunt against sugar, sugar itself is not necessarily evil, it depends how much of it you consume and what type.

 

Sugar is basically fuel and as long as you exercise enough to burn this fuel there is no problem. However if you take in copious amounts above what you can burn it becomes fat and everybody knows what happens then.
What is the right amount also depends on the type of person. Personally I have very high metabolism and hardly gain weight. This doesn't mean that I am free to eat cake & ice-cream on a daily basis because that obviously has other detrimental effects, however I do feel that it shouldn't be a major issue if I have one can of coke per week or a kit-kat bar when I feel like it. The media nowadays seem to portray that sugar is downright evil and all these foods should be banned which I find upsetting.

 

 

 

robjg63:

 

 

 

They got some common brands of 'fruit juice' - they all contained added extra sugar.

 

They modified some of the juices to reduce the sugar content by about 50%.

 

In taste tests with kids at a school, most preferred the lower sugar version of the products.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Having lived in Europe for most of my life I can honestly say that NZ fruit juice is RIDICULOUSLY sweet. And this is coming from a  person with a super sweet tooth.

 

I have really struggled to find a decent type of apple and grape juice in this country. All the stuff Keri produces tastes artificial and as if it needs to be diluted with water.
The only apple juice I've found to be acceptable is the organic juice in the health foods section at Countdown.

 

 





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