Mspec:

 

its supposed to be completely automatic.

 

they are, the issue is they need to be used with CPR to get results, so you still need someone who can do basic first aid otherwise they arent much use

we have about 30 around our workplace, but it is rather large and does have 2-3000 people

Yup I have 50 - 65 people across 3 shifts but they are all going to be getting CPR and AED training next week 

No. I'm the only person who works in it and if I actually needed it, I doubt I could use it on myself..!

It's a great thing you're doing there @Mspec. There are quite a few at my work, but then I do work for an emergency services organisation...

It was mentioned above that the NZ AEDs cost around $4k.  I am perplexed as to why they can be purchased on Amazon for around $NZ1,700 plus NZ GST plus freight - say $2k.  As mentioned there would be more in circulation and I would purchase a private one if they were around $2k.  Are we paying for lifetime support or something?

Juicytree:

 

It was mentioned above that the NZ AEDs cost around $4k.  I am perplexed as to why they can be purchased on Amazon for around $NZ1,700 plus NZ GST plus freight - say $2k.  As mentioned there would be more in circulation and I would purchase a private one if they were around $2k.  Are we paying for lifetime support or something?

 

There are many different types of defibs on the market. You can easily pick one up for under NZ$2000 locally in NZ.

More advanced models such as the Lifepak's that are used by Fire & Emergency NZ on all trucks are around the $4k mark.

This is the one I got was $3600 , What price do you put on saving somebody's life cost does not come into if you can.

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We have several around our site, IIRC at least one person has been on the receiving end and quite likely had their life saved by one.

I'm first aid trained and get regular refreshers including driving the AEDs.

Yes, have one. Waste of money. Return on investment doesn't add up. If you are going to waste your money make sure you get one that doenst need people to be trained - that's even more money wasted.

minimoke:

 

Yes, have one. Waste of money. Return on investment doesn't add up. If you are going to waste your money make sure you get one that doenst need people to be trained - that's even more money wasted.

 

i guess you can put a price on life then?

Jase2985:

 

minimoke:

 

Yes, have one. Waste of money. Return on investment doesn't add up. If you are going to waste your money make sure you get one that doenst need people to be trained - that's even more money wasted.

 

 

i guess you can put a price on life then?

 

Yes you can.

The first part of the equation is to get a group of employees and figure out the risk.  Then you want to determine how much each is personally prepared to pay to reduce their individual risk of death over say the next year. You can then work out a value or price

So lets say you have 1,000 employees. You all think you might die of a heart attack and none of you want to.  And each of you want to reduce the risk of dying from a heart attack to less than 1 death (yours) in the thousand . That's 1 in 1000 or 0.1% risk (this might be, say, your typical squash court environment)

Now ask how much each employee is prepared to pay to reduce their risk. Lets say it is $10. That means you are prepared to pay $10,000 to save one life. Now you have a value of $10,000 for that life in a high risk environment 

So now I have given you a  price on life.

But heres a wee exercise on risk. Go to you local shopping mall where you are going to get a pretty good cohort of at risk heart attack people. And ask how many people are in a mall in a year. They will probably say 40,000 visitors on a busy day. Obviously depends on the size of the mall. Now ask them how many people have died in the mall, in the past year when a AED would have saved a life. The answer is likely to be none or one. Now you get a sense of the risk of dying. You can fine tune by taking the 12 hours a mall is open with the 8 hours an employee is at work.

So hopefully now you realise the price of human life is not that high and the risk of death where an AED would be of value is extremely low. Thus there is no basis for  the wholesale purchase of AED's at work

thats a pretty narrow way of looking at it

what about from the families perspective?

a AED is what $2k? for a medium sized company this is a drop in a bucket at $500 per year overs its live span.

Jase2985:

 

thats a pretty narrow way of looking at it

 

what about from the families perspective?

 

a AED is what $2k? for a medium sized company this is a drop in a bucket at $500 per year overs its live span.

 

You don't think perhaps the money might be better spent on preventing a heart attack in the first place?

And now the moral bar has been set how many employers support vaping or other things that prevent or delay death unrelated to work.