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  Reply # 1883181 13-Oct-2017 21:56
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But way more efficient and no cfc!

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  Reply # 1883191 13-Oct-2017 22:30
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kryptonjohn:


They are certainly not 'forced' to eat wrong foods. As discussed there are plenty of cheap and healthy food options. The big issue is they don't taste as good as junk food.



Just don't know how to make better plans and choices, or can't be bothered.


People who work long hours or odd hours can be time poor. It's easy to get into a food habit that works for mental and physical energy and can be hard to change it. It's not a taste thing imo it's more complex.

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  Reply # 1883192 13-Oct-2017 22:36
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That's true. Good habits can be hard to form.

Our parents had it much harder but society demanded they cope instead of making excuses.

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  Reply # 1883221 14-Oct-2017 00:53
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MikeB4:

 

 

 

22 years ago, hmm yeah that's relevant.

 

 

It is about as relevant as your constant, one-lined appeal to your own apparent authority on many, many things. Seriously, "I've seen it with my own eyes" type of arguments are about as interesting as Donald Trump's speeches if you are trying to make large, extrapolating conclusions based solely or largely your own experiences. And by working in NGOs focused on the poor, you by self-selection saw more of certain groups of people etc. If you are making a relatively focused claim like "People in X area in my experience can't even afford a freezer" then there's a much greater degree of validity, as opposed to making some large implicit claim that many people (god knows how many you mean) can't afford freezers because of how you've supposedly spent 25 years dealing with "this". Again, whatever that means. 

 

But feel free to again go on some tangent about how someone is being rude to you or whatever merely because you can't sensibly rebut the argument.

 

 

 

 


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dejadeadnz:

MikeB4:


 


22 years ago, hmm yeah that's relevant.



It is about as relevant as your constant, one-lined appeal to your own apparent authority on many, many things. Seriously, "I've seen it with my own eyes" type of arguments are about as interesting as Donald Trump's speeches if you are trying to make large, extrapolating conclusions based solely or largely your own experiences. And by working in NGOs focused on the poor, you by self-selection saw more of certain groups of people etc. If you are making a relatively focused claim like "People in X area in my experience can't even afford a freezer" then there's a much greater degree of validity, as opposed to making some large implicit claim that many people (god knows how many you mean) can't afford freezers because of how you've supposedly spent 25 years dealing with "this". Again, whatever that means. 


But feel free to again go on some tangent about how someone is being rude to you or whatever merely because you can't sensibly rebut the argument.


 


 



That’s rich from someone that at nearly every opportunity tells us in late night rants how superior you are because you are apparently a lawyer. Here’s an idea you ignore my posts a I will ignore yours ok?




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  Reply # 1883240 14-Oct-2017 08:10
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kryptonjohn: Our parents had it much harder but society demanded they cope instead of making excuses.

There were a lot less demands in this area I think.

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  Reply # 1883331 14-Oct-2017 12:19
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How about you just keep it civil please.  Not every thread has to devolve into a pissing contest.  

 


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  Reply # 1883363 14-Oct-2017 13:35
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MikeB4:

 

That’s rich from someone that at nearly every opportunity tells us in late night rants how superior you are because you are apparently a lawyer. Here’s an idea you ignore my posts a I will ignore yours ok?

 

So the predictable post came. One - I made no such claims of the sort that you made; two - it's time that you look in the mirror. You were ridiculing the other poster's post for the perceived poor quality of the evidence, yet it is your frequent practice to output a large number of posts that are really, shall I be charitable for once, decidedly lacking in terms of substantiation and evidence. 

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 1883370 14-Oct-2017 14:31
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Just let it go.

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  Reply # 1883418 14-Oct-2017 15:55
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And here was me thinking it was going to descend into LCHF vs. caloric restriction wars...

 

 

 

 








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  Reply # 1883533 14-Oct-2017 18:47
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Caloric restriction for me. I just don't feel full if I don't eat carbs.






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  Reply # 1883534 14-Oct-2017 18:49
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dejadeadnz:

MikeB4:

That exchange did not even mention the topic, let alone address it. That's unfortunate.

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  Reply # 1883583 14-Oct-2017 20:28
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gzt:
dejadeadnz:

MikeB4:

That exchange did not even mention the topic, let alone address it. That's unfortunate.


Let. It. Go.

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  Reply # 1883614 14-Oct-2017 21:50
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Anyway back to the topic. I looked up the definition for obesity just now:

http://obesity.ulaval.ca/obesity/generalities/evaluation.php

Healthy Weight (BMI >18.5)
Overweight (BMI >25)
Obese Class I (BMI >30) (BMI >30)
Obese Class II (BMI >30) (BMI >35)
Obese Class III (BMI >30) (BMI >40)(severe, or morbid obesity)


I was in Class 1 obese at my heaviest recorded weight says that calculator. With the associated 'high' risk.

I wasn't expecting that outcome. It surprised me. Thinking back, this was the one time I could not shift it using exercise alone. I tried very hard for a while with no success at all in the weight dept. I enjoyed it but the lack of progress was discouraging. I now have a lot more sympathy for people with larger challenges.

The breakthrough came when almost by luck I reduced but not entirely eliminated a couple of regular high calorie snack foods and that was enough to start the weight trending down rapidly.

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Problem is that BMI is not very accurate. Far better is measuring body fat percentage. As an example I was once 8.6% body fat (calculated) and yet I had a BMI of 24.9, which is on the border of being classed as overweight. Since less than 10% bodyfat is not healthy for men, clearly I didn't actually need to loose any weight.

Sadly I now estimate myself to be 20% bodyfat, weight is also now 104Kg. Sure I now have more muscle, But I definitely have some work to do.





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