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  Reply # 1883697 15-Oct-2017 07:38
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BMI while not gospel it is a useful benchmark but one must take into account variables like age, ethnicity physical make up.
I am 190cm weigh 74kg which gives me a healthy BMI measurement. I don’t play sport etc so BMI gives me a good measuring point.




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  Reply # 1883707 15-Oct-2017 09:39
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pretty sure every All Black is obese or morbidly obese according to BMI


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  Reply # 1883724 15-Oct-2017 10:42
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MikeB4: BMI while not gospel it is a useful benchmark but one must take into account variables like age, ethnicity physical make up.
I am 190cm weigh 74kg which gives me a healthy BMI measurement. I don’t play sport etc so BMI gives me a good measuring point.

 

and thats what makes it useless as a global too for the measure of obesity

 

it needs to have a waist/hip measurement included in it to better represent the persons actual body size to go along with their weight.

 

 


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  Reply # 1883727 15-Oct-2017 11:19
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It does make ethnic groups with typical high muscle mass, such as some Pacific Island groups look worse. Much better to do a skin fold pinch measurement to estimate fat%

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  Reply # 1883796 15-Oct-2017 14:25
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Clearly the answer is to have oneself kidnappped by Afghan insurgents, as evidenced by the once obese Canadian man who was recently rescued.... and now he is a skinny dude after 5 years in captivity.

Interesting to see how long it takes him to become obese again.


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Incidentally I am in the US just now and I see the doctors treatment for obesity is to prescribe a mobility scooter.

It seems to me they are way fatter in the US but that is purely anecdotal of course.

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  Reply # 1883798 15-Oct-2017 15:03
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^There's a larger population so it would appear more obvious I guess.  Plus they seem more comfortable in their obesity so more likely to just own it and go out and about on their mobility scooters :)

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 1884051 15-Oct-2017 22:20
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surfisup1000: Incidentally I am in the US just now and I see the doctors treatment for obesity is to prescribe a mobility scooter.

It seems to me they are way fatter in the US but that is purely anecdotal of course.

 

At Disneyland we saw mobility scooter traffic jams! They were *everywhere*.

 

 


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  Reply # 1884058 15-Oct-2017 22:51
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too fat for exercise ? <facepalm>


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  Reply # 1884082 16-Oct-2017 07:04
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too fat for exercise ? <facepalm>

 

 

Actually, that's a real thing. As you get fatter, your muscles don't grow  in strength, so it's more tiring to move around. Which leads to a destructive spiral where less and less exercise is done, and the fat person is tired all the time. And, where exercise is done, it is interspersed with lots of breaks for "energy" drinks and sugary snacks.

 

 


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  Reply # 1884126 16-Oct-2017 09:30
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I understand.

 

Amazing that people don't even have to move themselves to the next sugary treat - then you could start putting them further apart :-)


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  Reply # 1884133 16-Oct-2017 09:42
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When I watched the Ken Burns documentary on ww2 there was a lot of home footage of family of participants.

It was striking how much thinner and smaller busted the public were. And this was America without rationing.

Often the discussion on obesity seems to get distracted about whether Bmi is the correct measure ignoring the point that Bmi's have been increasing.

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I am technically class two obese - around 31 BMI. I have now lost close to 20kg and I suspect I have actually lost more than 20kg fat because I implemented weight training and core strengthening.  As of yesterday - 3.7kg to go until I am simply 'overweight' (BMI <30).  Best of all I feel 100x better than I did at >100kg.

 

My experience ( vs popular conceptions in italic)...

 

Poverty causes obesity:  I've gotten more overweight as my income increased.  It's entirely my own fault.  The result of many, many poor choices.  I'm a foodie. Food and craft beer are my biggest weaknesses.

 

Some recent good decisions (diet, exercise and alcohol intake) have removed in about 12 months, 75% of the weight I gained over two decades.

 

Healthy food is more expensive: Buying healthy food has substantially reduced our grocery bill. I've been able to come up with healthy, tasty, cheap dishes that are easy to prepare.  Most of them can be prepared with little energy input if planned for 24 hours ahead.

 

Losing weight is hard: It was hard to start.  But once the habits were set it has been easy to stick at it.  I just had to want to change my life. In my case, I did it so I would qualify for surgery to help out a family member.

 

East this/that etc: Generally fad BS.  Calorific deficit is what it's about.  Create a calorific deficit and (assuming general health) you will lose weight.  Best achieved by resistance training (increased muscle mass) cardio (more calories out, metabolism up-regulated) and diet (less calories in)

 

Alcohol promotes weight gain: This I believe. I did dry July and dropped 3kg, depsite having slack month on diet and exercise fronts.  There is emerging research (recent HVN conference in Auckland) which suggest that alcohol up-regulates the stress response.  As MikeB4 has already said this causes the body to promote fat storage.  So if you are stressed, eating poorly and drinking lots ... tgripl whammy.  If there is an effect of poverty on obesity a key component could be stress + alcohol.

 

 

 

What has made the difference for me ... knowledge.  I am a biologist by trade, which means I can digest primary literature on exercise and nutrition.  I don't need to rely on popular literature - most of which is BS.

 

I was also lucky: despite decades of unhealthy living, I didn't have any significant health problems.  Serious health or mobility issues can make it very hard to exercise.

 

 

 

 

 

 





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Actually, that's a real thing. As you get fatter, your muscles don't grow  in strength, so it's more tiring to move around. Which leads to a destructive spiral where less and less exercise is done, and the fat person is tired all the time. And, where exercise is done, it is interspersed with lots of breaks for "energy" drinks and sugary snacks.

 

 

All the humans from Wall-e have this issue


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  Reply # 1884285 16-Oct-2017 13:00
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Anyone looking for motivation should check out https://www.reddit.com/r/progresspics/

 

People look so much better when they're not fat. It also is clear evidence of what can be achieved with a little mindfulness when consuming food and exercising.

 

 





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