Geekzone: technology news, blogs, forums
Guest
Welcome Guest.
You haven't logged in yet. If you don't have an account you can register now.


View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic
1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 19
BDFL - Memuneh
60310 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 11354

Administrator
Trusted
Geekzone
Lifetime subscriber

  Reply # 2001777 24-Apr-2018 16:51
Send private message quote this post

Rikkitic:

 

freitasm:

 

McDonald's says its beef patties are made of beef mince only, salt and pepper. Add a slice of Mainland cheese, a bun and tomato sauce and tell me how is this unhealthy, compared to that staple of Kiwi food, fish and chips?

 

 

I hardly dare to comment but I believe that tomato sauce generally has a very high sugar content and are there not different grades of beef mince, from lean and expensive to fat, gristle and cheap? I am asking, not making a statement. I do not think fish and chips can be held up as a healthy alternative, especially as the fish is deep fried, but I suppose it at least it has the virtue of being traditional.

 

 

I'd say then that most Kiwi kids are doomed even if they eat at home - tomato sauce seems to be common around the country...





12234 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 5724

Trusted

  Reply # 2001781 24-Apr-2018 16:57
Send private message quote this post

freitasm:

 

gzt: Main problem with fast food is purveyors are usually engaged in trying to make it faster which tends to make it unhealthier. Tends to. Also cheaper to produce tends towards the same effect.

 

 

Is the food really unhealthier or just people eat too much?

 

McDonald's says its beef patties are made of beef mince only, salt and pepper. Add a slice of Mainland cheese, a bun and tomato sauce and tell me how is this unhealthy, compared to that staple of Kiwi food, fish and chips?

 

 

Salt a contributor to high blood pressure, Mince contributor to cholesterol, Bun carbohydrate contributor, Tomato sauce high in sugar, all in all not a great thing. However taken in moderation having regard to the rest of the diet the health affects can be mitigated.





Mike
Retired IT Manager. 
The views stated in my posts are my personal views and not that of any other organisation.

 

 It's our only home, lets clean it up then...

 

Take My Advice, Pull Down Your Pants And Slide On The Ice!

 

 


 
 
 
 


Try Wrike: fast, easy, and efficient project collaboration software
6168 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 3117


  Reply # 2001819 24-Apr-2018 17:48
One person supports this post
Send private message quote this post

There's now some doubt - suggesting that the research linking salt as a cause to high blood pressure was flawed.  It seems it might not cause it at all, but may still exacerbate it in individuals who already have high blood pressure.

 

That dietary cholesterol increases blood cholesterol levels seems to have been based on pure assumption and wishful thinking rather than science.

 

If you want good evidence of how we may have got things quite wrong, then look at the widespread use of statins for blood serum cholesterol reduction - which they certainly achieve incredibly well.  Then ask your cardiologist for data on mortality reduction from CVD for people taking statins to reduce cholesterol vs control, and the answer may be somewhat less compelling.  "Something else" is clearly going on.  Even if the data is only showing that people taking statins see it as an easy effort-free alternative to the more complete lifestyle change which is needed to address their serious health issue(s).

 

Note - I am not suggesting anybody take the above as advice to change their medicine etc - see your doctor, and ask lots of questions (really get your money worth).


gzt

9737 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 1452


  Reply # 2001820 24-Apr-2018 17:52
Send private message quote this post

freitasm:

gzt: Main problem with fast food is purveyors are usually engaged in trying to make it faster which tends to make it unhealthier. Tends to. Also cheaper to produce tends towards the same effect.



Is the food really unhealthier or just people eat too much?


McDonald's says its beef patties are made of beef mince only, salt and pepper. Add a slice of Mainland cheese, a bun and tomato sauce and tell me how is this unhealthy, compared to that staple of Kiwi food, fish and chips?


Yeah I think it really is unhealthier.

Take something like Subway for example, it's all a bit denatured. It is simply not as healthy as preparing the same meal at home. Even look at the structure of the bread is designed to be a fast food and likely not even as heallthy as a tip top roll.

6168 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 3117


  Reply # 2001858 24-Apr-2018 18:13
2 people support this post
Send private message quote this post

freitasm:

 

Rikkitic:

 

freitasm:

 

McDonald's says its beef patties are made of beef mince only, salt and pepper. Add a slice of Mainland cheese, a bun and tomato sauce and tell me how is this unhealthy, compared to that staple of Kiwi food, fish and chips?

 

 

I hardly dare to comment but I believe that tomato sauce generally has a very high sugar content and are there not different grades of beef mince, from lean and expensive to fat, gristle and cheap? I am asking, not making a statement. I do not think fish and chips can be held up as a healthy alternative, especially as the fish is deep fried, but I suppose it at least it has the virtue of being traditional.

 

 

I'd say then that most Kiwi kids are doomed even if they eat at home - tomato sauce seems to be common around the country...

 

 

If some kid grabbed the tomato sauce and plonked dollops of it on the food I'd lovingly prepared for them (unless I'd made burgers or served fries with something), I'd squirt the stuff in their hair, take the rest of the food from them and get them to feed it to the chickens, then hand the bawling rug-rat a carrot to gnaw on.

 

 


11962 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 2079

Trusted

  Reply # 2002063 25-Apr-2018 09:17
One person supports this post
Send private message quote this post

freitasm:

 

gzt: Main problem with fast food is purveyors are usually engaged in trying to make it faster which tends to make it unhealthier. Tends to. Also cheaper to produce tends towards the same effect.

 

 

Is the food really unhealthier or just people eat too much?

 

McDonald's says its beef patties are made of beef mince only, salt and pepper. Add a slice of Mainland cheese, a bun and tomato sauce and tell me how is this unhealthy, compared to that staple of Kiwi food, fish and chips?

 

 

Could not agree more. You could serve the same ingredients on a plate, not as a burger, and it looks better, better as in not a takeaway. Meat, bread, cheese, gherkin. And for an old fashioned burger, add tomato and lettuce. Hardly bad is it?


11962 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 2079

Trusted

  Reply # 2002065 25-Apr-2018 09:20
Send private message quote this post

Rikkitic:

 

freitasm:

 

McDonald's says its beef patties are made of beef mince only, salt and pepper. Add a slice of Mainland cheese, a bun and tomato sauce and tell me how is this unhealthy, compared to that staple of Kiwi food, fish and chips?

 

 

I hardly dare to comment but I believe that tomato sauce generally has a very high sugar content and are there not different grades of beef mince, from lean and expensive to fat, gristle and cheap? I am asking, not making a statement. I do not think fish and chips can be held up as a healthy alternative, especially as the fish is deep fried, but I suppose it at least it has the virtue of being traditional.

 

 

Not traditional, very unhealthy. Fish has benefits. Chips are too much carbs. And the many square inches of oil/dripping laden surface area of the chips is bad news. The batter is worse its thick. And pile on the tomato sauce. 

 

Its an unhealthy treat, if its once a week, who cares.


11962 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 2079

Trusted

  Reply # 2002066 25-Apr-2018 09:28
Send private message quote this post

gzt:
freitasm:

 

gzt: Main problem with fast food is purveyors are usually engaged in trying to make it faster which tends to make it unhealthier. Tends to. Also cheaper to produce tends towards the same effect.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Is the food really unhealthier or just people eat too much?

 

 

 

McDonald's says its beef patties are made of beef mince only, salt and pepper. Add a slice of Mainland cheese, a bun and tomato sauce and tell me how is this unhealthy, compared to that staple of Kiwi food, fish and chips?

 


Yeah I think it really is unhealthier.

Take something like Subway for example, it's all a bit denatured. It is simply not as healthy as preparing the same meal at home. Even look at the structure of the bread is designed to be a fast food and likely not even as heallthy as a tip top roll.

 

We have Subway regularly. Its real. Its fresh. The bun is a bun. This fast food phrase indicates fast, unhealthy food, thats silly. Fish N Chips, yes, but Subway you can make at home, its just easier to buy it. Its fast food by speed only. If I had the same ingredients at home I can make my own identical equivalent. Its fast food not junk food. And at home I dont have a fresh version of everything at the same time.


1842 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 710

Subscriber

  Reply # 2002080 25-Apr-2018 09:45
Send private message quote this post

Pita pit salad is fast food and perfectly ok nutritionally

But not exactlycheap vs very quick and cheap to make your own at home

6168 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 3117


  Reply # 2002203 25-Apr-2018 12:29
One person supports this post
Send private message quote this post

tdgeek:

 

We have Subway regularly... if I had the same ingredients at home I can make my own identical equivalent.

 

 

Of course you could:

 

SUBWAY CHICKEN CLASSIC PATTY (Breaded): Chicken (70%), Water, Flour (Wheat, Maize), Salt, Flavours
(Wheat, Milk), Wheat Starch, Egg, Sunflower Oil, Milk Protein, Wheat Gluten, Dextrose, Mineral Salts
(450,451), Sugar, Herbs & Spices, Dehydrated Vegetable, Yeast Extract, Soy Sauce Powder (Wheat),
Maltodextrin, Onion Powder, Garlic Dehydrated, Flavour Enhancers (631,627), Colours (100,160c),
Spice Extracts, Anti Caking Agent (551), Acidity Regulator (330), Vegetable Oil [Soy (Antioxidant
(319))], Palmolein, Vitamin (Thiamin).Contains: Wheat, Gluten, Egg, Milk and Soy.

 

surprised

 

 


11962 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 2079

Trusted

  Reply # 2002240 25-Apr-2018 12:46
Send private message quote this post

Fred99:

 

tdgeek:

 

We have Subway regularly... if I had the same ingredients at home I can make my own identical equivalent.

 

 

Of course you could:

 

SUBWAY CHICKEN CLASSIC PATTY (Breaded): Chicken (70%), Water, Flour (Wheat, Maize), Salt, Flavours
(Wheat, Milk), Wheat Starch, Egg, Sunflower Oil, Milk Protein, Wheat Gluten, Dextrose, Mineral Salts
(450,451), Sugar, Herbs & Spices, Dehydrated Vegetable, Yeast Extract, Soy Sauce Powder (Wheat),
Maltodextrin, Onion Powder, Garlic Dehydrated, Flavour Enhancers (631,627), Colours (100,160c),
Spice Extracts, Anti Caking Agent (551), Acidity Regulator (330), Vegetable Oil [Soy (Antioxidant
(319))], Palmolein, Vitamin (Thiamin).Contains: Wheat, Gluten, Egg, Milk and Soy.

 

surprised

 

 

 

 

I dont do the classic chicken, it seems processed. They should do lean chicken pieces. The ham or tuna i could make an equivalent. But I dont keep stocks of the many veggies.  


6168 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 3117


  Reply # 2002254 25-Apr-2018 13:01
One person supports this post
Send private message quote this post

Oh okay - the "chicken breast strips"?

 

CHICKEN BREAST STRIPS: Chicken (94%), Soy Protein, Salt, Modified Starch (1412), Flavour
[Hydrolysed Vegetable Protein (Soy)], Mineral Salt (450), Vegetable Oil [Canola (Antioxidant (319))].
Contains Soy.

 

1412 is Distarch phosphate esterified with sodium trimetasphosphate; (or) esterified with phosphorus oxychloride

 

450 is a calcium or sodium phosphate stabiliser/emulsifier

 

I don't use these in my kitchen.  I wouldn't buy so-called "chicken strips" at the supermarket if they listed those on the packet, the reason they "need" to use these is because they sell fast food, and I'm unconvinced Subway is any better than Maccas.

 

Their sauces and dressings are also loaded with sugar.


BDFL - Memuneh
60310 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 11354

Administrator
Trusted
Geekzone
Lifetime subscriber



7176 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 3377

Subscriber

  Reply # 2002292 25-Apr-2018 13:49
Send private message quote this post

I agree, but it is like saying that having your fingernails extracted with pliers is less awful than having a hot needle poked in your eye.

 

 





I reject your reality and substitute my own. - Adam Savage
 


577 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 174

Subscriber

  Reply # 2002303 25-Apr-2018 14:09
One person supports this post
Send private message quote this post

Fred is spot on. I eat Subway as a uni lunch fairly regularly, but I've tried to cut back after looking into the ingredients a while back. My favourite shocker is the beetroot, it's only 58% beetroot. I suspect it's the vegetable equivalent of shaved ham. Oh and that sliced steak, it's not just steak that has been sliced. 

Full ingredients list here (PDF)

 

I agree that the meat at Mcdonald's is probably less processed than Subway's meat.


1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 19
View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic



Twitter »

Follow us to receive Twitter updates when new discussions are posted in our forums:



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when news items and blogs are posted in our frontpage:



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when tech item prices are listed in our price comparison site:





News »

IBM leads Call for Code to use cloud, data, AI, blockchain for natural disaster relief
Posted 25-May-2018 14:12


New FUJIFILM X-T100 aims to do better job than smartphones
Posted 24-May-2018 20:17


Stuff takes 100% ownership of Stuff Fibre
Posted 24-May-2018 19:41


Exhibition to showcase digital artwork from across the globe
Posted 23-May-2018 16:44


Auckland tops list of most vulnerable cities in a zombie apocalypse
Posted 23-May-2018 12:52


ASB first bank in New Zealand to step out with Garmin Pay
Posted 23-May-2018 00:10


Umbrellar becomes Microsoft Cloud Solution Provider
Posted 22-May-2018 15:43


Three New Zealand projects shortlisted in IDC Asia Pacific Smart Cities Awards
Posted 22-May-2018 15:14


UpStarters - the New Zealand tech and innovation story
Posted 21-May-2018 09:55


Lightbox updates platform with new streaming options
Posted 17-May-2018 13:09


Norton Core router launches with high-performance, IoT security in New Zealand
Posted 16-May-2018 02:00


D-Link ANZ launches new 4G LTE Dual SIM M2M VPN Router
Posted 15-May-2018 19:30


New Panasonic LUMIX FT7 ideal for outdoor: waterproof, dustproof
Posted 15-May-2018 19:17


Ryanair Goes All-In on AWS
Posted 15-May-2018 19:14


Te Papa and EQC Minecraft Mod shakes up earthquake education
Posted 15-May-2018 19:12



Geekzone Live »

Try automatic live updates from Geekzone directly in your browser, without refreshing the page, with Geekzone Live now.



Are you subscribed to our RSS feed? You can download the latest headlines and summaries from our stories directly to your computer or smartphone by using a feed reader.

Alternatively, you can receive a daily email with Geekzone updates.