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  Reply # 1998724 18-Apr-2018 16:11
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Rikkitic:

 

Complex is no reason not to do it. Tobacco was complex when they were throwing money at sports sponsorship and everything else they could think of but a way was found to do it. Even though it might be difficult to distinguish in legal terms between a gourmet restaurant and a junk food craphole, anyone with common sense can immediately see the difference. It is just a matter of will. When enough people get past the short-term pleasures and the vested interests and start to take the damage seriously, things will suddenly become a lot less complex.

 

 

I agree that unhealthy food is readily identifiable. But common sense has no value in tax law.  It's about legally defensible tests.  You need to be able to clearly identify something and tax it. Tobacco and alcohol taxes are comparatively simple:  Entire categories are taxed and there are small number of subcategories.  Booze is taxed per volume. Tobacco may be taxed per weight (I'm not sure).  It's simple and the manufacturer/importer pays.

 

You can get unhealthy food at a gourmet restaurant.  lots of luxury foods are unhealthy.  I was most overweight when travelling frequently for work and eating at restaurants often.  Subway and sushi saved me more than my running shoes did

 

Food gets very complex, very fast.  Complexity is really about time and cost.  Perhaps impractical is better word.   Either way it's a legitimate reason not to do something.  For example the cost to administer such a scheme may exceed the identifiable cost to the health system of obesity.  Then there is the risk issue of displacing consumption away from commercial to home-made -  tax ingredients too?

 

I think you will also find that poorer households are hit harder by such a tax.  Wealthier people can afford luxury food that is also healthy.

 

 

 

 





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  Reply # 1998751 18-Apr-2018 16:33
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Rikkitic: Another early grave filthy food pusher sees NZ as a soft target

Wikipedia: Restaurant Brands New Zealand Limited, trading as Restaurant Brands is a New Zealand fast food company. Restaurant Brands operates and owns the master franchising rights for the Carl's Jr., KFC, Pizza Hut, and Starbucks brands in New Zealand.

and Taco Bell.

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  Reply # 1998754 18-Apr-2018 16:36
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Minor point here but it's actually a New Zealand company (Restaurant Brands) bringing this in, as opposed to an overseas company seeing us as a soft target.

 

 


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  Reply # 1998780 18-Apr-2018 17:08
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Perhaps we could take a leaf out of the North Korean playbook? A command economy where every facet of people's lives are determined for them from on high. No imperialist American fast food joints there. Don't see many fat NKs, so it must work!
Similar weight loss results in Stalinist Soviet Union and Mao's China. So march on comrade!
I'm with Hosking. No one is getting pulled in off the street and force fed.
Maybe it's just natural selection. Stupid people make stupid food choices.




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  Reply # 1998791 18-Apr-2018 17:24
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reven:

 

one of the biggest issues is this "crap" is often cheaper than healthy food.

 

I do wish there were a more healhty fast food place

 

 

 

 

this

 

I watched a few years ago a documentary on the founder and his company, forget whether it was on Netflix or Youtube. He is about fresh-food fast not fast-food fresh.


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  Reply # 1998792 18-Apr-2018 17:28
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No one forces people into these restaurants, nor to shovel this food into their mouths. It's disappointing to see you trying to control what people can eat. I'd be surprised to see you react kindly to being told what you can and can't eat.

 

Even worse you want to tax those who sell it! If there wasn't an interest in it, they wouldn't be here. 

 

It's not my cup of tea but I am for options so if I feel so inclined to "poison myself to death" eating it, I can.

 

Sometimes your views seem hypocritical to me. 

 

 




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  Reply # 1998793 18-Apr-2018 17:31
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Sometimes disappointing you is one of the pleasures of my life. No-one forces anyone to smoke. Maybe we should stop trying to control what people do and quit taxing those who want to sell it.

 

 





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  Reply # 1998796 18-Apr-2018 17:34
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Rikkitic:

 

Sometimes disappointing you is one of the pleasures of my life. 

 

 

I am sorry your life is so easily fulfilled by petty behaviour.

 

 

 

 

No-one forces anyone to smoke. Maybe we should stop trying to control what people do and quit taxing those who want to sell it.

 

 

This entire thread is you suggesting controlling what someone can do and taxing anyone who dares selling it? Do you not see the irony?


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  Reply # 1998808 18-Apr-2018 18:02
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I once heard Taco Bell described as, “cat food served in a wet envelope”. It’s so true.

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  Reply # 1998810 18-Apr-2018 18:10
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I'll be voting with my wallet and never visiting TB. I can't stop anyone else eating lard burgers however.


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  Reply # 1998811 18-Apr-2018 18:16
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DarthKermit:

 

I'll be voting with my wallet and never visiting TB. I can't stop anyone else eating lard burgers however.

 

 

Nor should you. 

 

 


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  Reply # 1998815 18-Apr-2018 18:20
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xpd:

 

Was a taco place that opened years ago in Mangere, closed down within a year - people just werent interested. Went in one night with a couple of mates, mainly to hassle another friend working there.

 

On the other hand there are a couple of "hole in the wall" Mexican places in Wellington, plus a "chain" (two only) of another Mexican place serving tacos, enchilladas, quesadillas, etc - and those seem to be doing well here.

 

@reven:

 

Two pizzas from pizzahut is $14 which feeds 4.  Thats really hard to beat.  

 

 

You're splurging... The basic Pizza Hut (cheese only, cheese and garlic, meat and garlic, pepperoni) pie is $5. Two for ten - even cheaper than your example.





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  Reply # 1998816 18-Apr-2018 18:23
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No one forces people into these restaurants, nor to shovel this food into their mouths. It's disappointing to see you trying to control what people can eat. I'd be surprised to see you react kindly to being told what you can and can't eat.

 

Even worse you want to tax those who sell it! If there wasn't an interest in it, they wouldn't be here. 

 

It's not my cup of tea but I am for options so if I feel so inclined to "poison myself to death" eating it, I can.

 

Sometimes your views seem hypocritical to me. 

 

 

QFT.

 

To the OP, if you think it's unhealthy, don't eat there but don't try to impose your point of view upon others. Others might eat there occasionally because it's an option - I had McDonald's last night but wouldn't have everyday. It was the quick option for that day.







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  Reply # 1998822 18-Apr-2018 18:31
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@networkn:

 

The irony I see is a libertarian like you not cheering personal freedoms like drug law reform. Isn't that what you believe in? No-one controlling what someone else does?

 

There is no question that overconsumption of junk food is unhealthy. Research has directly connected it to obesity and the diabetes epidemic sweeping this country. The high salt and fat content in it has been shown to be addictive. No, I don't have links to the research at hand, but I will dig them up if you seriously dispute any of this. There is no question that we have the highest rate of bowel cancer in the developed world. We have the third highest rate of obesity, after the USA and Mexico. I don't know if any research has linked bowel cancer to junk food but logic suggests the two are probably connected. There is certainly research regarding obesity, though it is hardly needed.

 

All of these things put a huge drain on the public health service, which our taxes pay for. I would think that would get you excited. In effect, this means that New Zealand taxpayers are susidising crap food sales, because one of the appeals of that food is it's cheap, and the purveyors of it do not contribute to the health service in spite of adding substantially to the burden on it. Hardly seems reasonable to me. 

 

The reason this issue is frequently compared to smoking (not only by me) is because the fat food industry is using the same arguments and dodges that the tobacco industry did. Do you think that tobacco taxes should be removed? Should there be no control over what smokers do? What about helmets or seat belts? So many ways people are being controlled. I suppose you are against that as well.

 

Smoking has been increasingly taxed and restricted because it has been shown to be a danger to public health. So is fat food. Some people just don't know it yet. I guess the irony is that you are one of those. 

 

Shouldn't people be able to have what they want? The demand for junk food is created and sustained by constant advertising, also to children. This is freely allowed. Can you then say that people really know what they want? They know what they are told to want. But of course there should be no limits on their freedom to choose what they are told.

 

The eating habits of New Zealanders have become a medical emergency. Drastic times call for drastic measures. But I will quit going on about it if you agree that all drugs should be legalised. We might as well have a level playing field.

 

 





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  Reply # 1998827 18-Apr-2018 18:37
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Its a tough one because what you're saying is the govt are imposing double standards.
You can either have an Anarchy state where we can do all the drugs we want and eat raw sugar from the bag and inject ourselves with MSG or what not... (Tongue-in-cheek)
Or we can be living under the defined rule of our leaders who strictly manage what we consumer for food, drugs and so fourth. Isn't that fascism?

I agree that the food is bad, I agree that it should have some form of reparation to the country for the burden that fast food does have but what that reparation is not up me to decide and I wouldn't know where to begin.

Smoking is not a human requirement, Eating is a human requirement. 






 


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