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#1999048 19-Apr-2018 07:44

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Some clickbait:

Did You Know Taco Bell Has Become One of the Healthiest Fast Food Chains?

I wonder how much Taco Bell paid for that article?

It does seem to be advertorial.

My gut feeling though is that for example a corn taco with presumably some beans, some meat, some tomato/lettuce/cheese, is a far better/healthier food choice than the contents of entire aisles at the supermarket (biscuit and lolly aisles for example), probably much better than good old kiwi "fish and chips", the food cabinets at the local bakery /cake shop, so-called "healthy" smoothie stall or Mr Whippy van etc.

I suggest you wave a protest banner outside a "Dunkin Donuts" store. IMO that's about as toxic a "food choice" as possible, parents should be flayed for offering such vile gutrot (IMO) as a "treat".

That's an excellent point. And obvious too when you think about it. Selling bags of sugar, disguised with a shape and varied colours.

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#1999076 19-Apr-2018 08:36

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I am fairly critical of some aspects of American society (not all of them) and I also have issues with excessive CEO remuneration but I do not think that large corporations are by definition greedy, untrustworthy and other bad words, though some certainly are. I can't imagine I actually said that, but if I did, I take it back. It is not what I believe.

I do recall, many years ago, reading an article about a psychologist who gave several big corporations a standardised personality test, creating responses from public information as if they were the answers of an individual. Every single corporation he tested emerged with an extremely high psychopathology score. I thought that was amusing.

Personally, I'd find that study silly. You can't apply the personality traits of a human to a non-human entity run by humans. It's an entirely different set of priorities. The guy obviously had too much time on his hands.

I strongly disagree.

In principle / by definition "(in)corporation" is granting rights to an entity the legal status of an individual/person (to own stuff, buy and sell it etc), the responsibilities should match that status, where liability is limited those exceptions should be granted only with utmost care. For example, limited liability doesn't and shouldn't mean that directors of companies should walk away scot free in case of insolvency where it can be shown they plundered and looted and failed to meet statutory obligations - be those to shareholders, employees, customers, or anybody else. Society expects that they should be locked up / punished. It's a balancing act how it should be regulated - as if it went to far the other way and responsibilities and penalties were too onerous, commerce would collapse as nobody would want to be in business.

Of course a corporation can behave psychopathically. Psychopaths are typically very good at understanding others, very good at disguising their motives, very disingenuous in how they present themselves as caring individuals when they're "in it" entirely for themselves and know they're causing harm - because they do not care (about you).
Of course that's always going to be the case "to some degree" because they're selling stuff presented in the best possible light in order to make a profit, be that cigarettes, asbestos cladding, cheap cans of RTD, burgers and fries, glow in the dark statues of Jesus, mung bean sprouts, or incubators for saving the lives of babies.

You could get cynical and condemn the profit motive entirely, but most people would be very unhappy about the consequences, still a certain degree of skepticism and awareness of how things truly are seems sensible. Half of the grizzles in these forums about faulty product and difficulty dealing with suppliers / manufacturers to get them to meet their obligations demonstrate a certain degree of psychopathy by corporates who put a lot of effort into making you love them, but they'll quite happily stab you through the heart if they think they can get away with it.

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#1999077 19-Apr-2018 08:37

SepticSceptic: You are permitted to ridicule cigarette smokers as purveys of death, and filthy dirty faggers, and no one bats an eye, but call a bunch of over weight peeps a fat bunch of over weight lardos destined for clogging up our hospitals, everyone (almost) jumps on their favourite hobby horse and gets into a frenzied froth about disrespecting big people, and overweight people dont deserve this criticism. After all, they can't help being over weight! Ya know, it's hormones, or something.

Smokers are in a completely different category and in no way related to this issue. Unless second-hand obesity has become a thing.

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#1999079 19-Apr-2018 08:39

Rikkitic: Hopefully people will exercise their choice and it will go broke.

Fat chance [/pun]

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#1999096 19-Apr-2018 08:53

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Plus they are ethical, not overcharging and have been a good and stable employer in NZ for many years. :) I agree it definitely wasn't one of the Sky Threads.

I have been hard on Sky and I don't apologise for it. They exploited their monopoly when they had one and they have tried to preserve it by using the courts to kill more creative alternatives. They have acted in a retrograde fashion rather than innovating. That may be changing now due to competitive pressure. It should have happened much sooner.

But my dislike of Sky does not extend to all corporates and that is what I am objecting to. I have nothing against businesses large or small that behave in a responsible fashion. I have no desire to live in North Korea or Soviet Russia or anything like them.

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#1999098 19-Apr-2018 08:56

I think it is a pretty damming indictment on our society that main streets in our once lovely provincial townships are progressively resembling cheap Vegas strips.

Personally, I hope Taco Bell never sees the light of day in Aotearoa.

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#1999101 19-Apr-2018 09:02

Rikkitic:

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Plus they are ethical, not overcharging and have been a good and stable employer in NZ for many years. :) I agree it definitely wasn't one of the Sky Threads.

I have been hard on Sky and I don't apologise for it. They exploited their monopoly when they had one and they have tried to preserve it by using the courts to kill more creative alternatives. They have acted in a retrograde fashion rather than innovating. That may be changing now due to competitive pressure. It should have happened much sooner.

But my dislike of Sky does not extend to all corporates and that is what I am objecting to. I have nothing against businesses large or small that behave in a responsible fashion. I have no desire to live in North Korea or Soviet Russia or anything like them.

No they didn't. That's a fantasy you have created/rationalized in your head because you can't have what you *want*. There are logical and rational and perfectly legal reasons for how they run their business. I believe if you were them and had shareholders and stakeholders and rules around how you could run your business (Publically trading company rules), you would have done much the same thing. The perception you have created isn't based in reality in this instance. Have they made any mistakes? Of course they have, everyone makes mistakes. Are they doing as good of a job as everyone would like? No. I think they are doing the best they can with the resources they have available taking into account the wide variety of customers they have with the wide variety of access they require, taking into account rights holders demands and whilst trying to make moderate profits and keep Kiwi's employed.

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#1999102 19-Apr-2018 09:02

Dratsab:

Smokers are in a completely different category and in no way related to this issue. Unless second-hand obesity has become a thing.

I agree. It also has to be said that there is no safe level of smoking.

However Tacos can be eaten safely and without risking others health.

Even Mickey D's offers salads these days.

As someone who gains weight easily but has recently lost about 20kg of blubber I have to say: -

It wasn't that hard, after I set a goal
It's not complicated - stop eating rubbish.
It reduced our food bill
I still get to eat out once a week and have a bakery treat on pay-day.

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#1999103 19-Apr-2018 09:03

dafman:

I think it is a pretty damming indictment on our society that main streets in our once lovely provincial townships are progressively resembling cheap Vegas strips.

Personally, I hope Taco Bell never sees the light of day in Aotearoa.

I like Taco Bell! Roll up, roll up

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#1999106 19-Apr-2018 09:05

There is nothing wrong with Mexican food per se. It resembles whole foods, has a variety of vegetables, meats etc. If there was only one food I could eat for the rest of my life, it would probably be Mexican or Vietnamese. I love the stuff. Taco Bell isn't a true rendition, but it's a lot better in my opinion that Carls Jnr.

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#1999107 19-Apr-2018 09:06

dafman:

I think it is a pretty damming indictment on our society that main streets in our once lovely provincial townships are progressively resembling cheap Vegas strips.

Personally, I hope Taco Bell never sees the light of day in Aotearoa.

Wait a minute. There's no comparison of anything in New Zealand to a Vegas strip. Completely different beasts.

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#1999109 19-Apr-2018 09:08

dafman:

I think it is a pretty damming indictment on our society that main streets in our once lovely provincial townships are progressively resembling cheap Vegas strips.

Personally, I hope Taco Bell never sees the light of day in Aotearoa.

The biggest change I have noticed in main street NZ is the death of retail. Not just independent retail - chain stores are retrenching and biting the dust too. The only shops that seem to be proliferating are 'dollar' shops.

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#1999118 19-Apr-2018 09:19

freitasm:

dafman:

I think it is a pretty damming indictment on our society that main streets in our once lovely provincial townships are progressively resembling cheap Vegas strips.

Personally, I hope Taco Bell never sees the light of day in Aotearoa.

Wait a minute. There's no comparison of anything in New Zealand to a Vegas strip. Completely different beasts.

Lol, yeah. There is a M and M store But I cant recall takeaways!

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#1999126 19-Apr-2018 09:27

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There is nothing wrong with Mexican food per se. It resembles whole foods, has a variety of vegetables, meats etc. If there was only one food I could eat for the rest of my life, it would probably be Mexican or Vietnamese. I love the stuff. Taco Bell isn't a true rendition, but it's a lot better in my opinion that Carls Jnr.

Hallelujah! I actually agree with this. When I lived in California, before I became a vegetarian, I greatly enjoyed (real!) Mexican food. This was before abominations like Taco Bell became widespread. I still enjoy vegetarian versions. I often make tacos at home, using soy mince substitutes. I believe most fast food, in this case, Taco Bell, is a very poor and unhealthy imitation of the real thing. It is kept cheap by using poor substitutes for the original ingredients. In order to be 'fast' corners are cut in the preparation. That is why it tastes like cat food in cardboard, as someone described it. Even so, I am inclined to agree that it is probably better than Carls Jnr., though I don't know that from personal experience.

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#1999129 19-Apr-2018 09:33

Rikkitic:

networkn:

There is nothing wrong with Mexican food per se. It resembles whole foods, has a variety of vegetables, meats etc. If there was only one food I could eat for the rest of my life, it would probably be Mexican or Vietnamese. I love the stuff. Taco Bell isn't a true rendition, but it's a lot better in my opinion that Carls Jnr.

Hallelujah! I actually agree with this. When I lived in California, before I became a vegetarian, I greatly enjoyed (real!) Mexican food. This was before abominations like Taco Bell became widespread. I still enjoy vegetarian versions. I often make tacos at home, using soy mince substitutes. I believe most fast food, in this case, Taco Bell, is a very poor and unhealthy imitation of the real thing. It is kept cheap by using poor substitutes for the original ingredients. In order to be 'fast' corners are cut in the preparation. That is why it tastes like cat food in cardboard, as someone described it. Even so, I am inclined to agree that it is probably better than Carls Jnr., though I don't know that from personal experience.

Real Mexican yes, very much so. Ex Texas and Louisiana. And Cajun definitely

But I still like Taco bell, but that was also Texas/Louisiana made. Also had it at the Taco Bell, east side of entering Death Valley, that wasnt as good.

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