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  # 2158105 11-Jan-2019 13:19
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It seems like the original question was asked and answered then, will canabis be legalized for medical purposes this year? No not given the referendum and related law changes that would need to occur. 2021 would be the earliest.

 

 


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  # 2158143 11-Jan-2019 13:32
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networkn:

It seems like the original question was asked and answered then, will canabis be legalized for medical purposes this year? No not given the referendum and related law changes that would need to occur. 2021 would be the earliest.


 



You are adding your own spin on the question it says: Sick of pain meds, will cannabis be legalised this year? Not will itbe legalised FOR medical purposes.

 
 
 
 


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  # 2158145 11-Jan-2019 13:35
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networkn:

 

It seems like the original question was asked and answered then, will canabis be legalized for medical purposes this year? No not given the referendum and related law changes that would need to occur. 2021 would be the earliest.

 

 

 

 

Its a long road for a recreational legalization but medical is already in place but there is no education for GP's regarding it or any funding.
Recreation will be the next decider for next election. 

 

This is the most informative post regarding the OP's question in this entire thread.

@badgernz

 

badgernz:

 

In regards to the initial question around the possible availability of CBD products for pain relief in NZ in future, it is already legal and GP's can prescribe the approved products to patients - reality is most have no idea how to...

 

 

 

From memory (looked in to this early last year due to my daughter having refractory epilepsy) the approved product is imported by a ChCh company and it is produced specifically for the NZ market in Canada - it is not funded so the patient will be up for the full costs and I understand it is not cheep and could cost $500+ per month.

 

 

 

If you are looking at accessing CBD for pain I would suggest contacting Dr Gulbransen he seems to be the 'local' expert and advocate in the medical field: - I cannot paste links but look for cannabiscare nz

 

 

 

Also the ministry of health also have a page outlining the facts around CBD access - again I cannot paste links due to been new but if you google prescribe CBD New Zealand it should come up...

 

 

 

Cheers

 



Yep, badgernz made an account to share this with us. I'd say he has more information that may help people here with pain or other issues. 


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  # 2158146 11-Jan-2019 13:38
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epr:
networkn:

 

It seems like the original question was asked and answered then, will canabis be legalized for medical purposes this year? No not given the referendum and related law changes that would need to occur. 2021 would be the earliest.

 

 

 

 

 



You are adding your own spin on the question it says: Sick of pain meds, will cannabis be legalised this year? Not will itbe legalised FOR medical purposes.

 

I wouldn't read that far into the question but more join in on a healthy discussion. The OP never specified to what extent will it be legalized?
As above I posted what badgernz posted and they are legally using CBD products already.



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  # 2158149 11-Jan-2019 13:43
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OK have read all the preceding and some comments and points I agree with and some I do not. Those  that I support or agree with I have given a +1 to.

 

So here is my $ worth.

 

Yes Cannabis has side effects but so does alcohol. These side effects are more heightened on the developing brain which does not finish developing fully till around age 25 or even a bit later. Some people are more susceptible to various substances than others though, no matter their brain development stage.

 

I feel for those families and friends who have lost loved ones allegedly to cannabis but studies are thin on ground at the moment. Therefore for the time being "correlation does not imply causation" with the cannabis debate. Where as studies in relation to alcohol and death, there is a truck load of them out there.

 

Not so long ago mental diseases such as schizophrenia and bi-polar, was not considered diagnostically till late teens early 20's, they now know better. Just as alcohol can effect the growing brain so can cannabis or glue sniffing. All these substances are available and children in single digits have been known to be; sampling, have become recreational uses or have become addicted resulting in the associated long term effects.

 

Education is the key; publicly, parentally and all significant others including education institutions. The trouble is though this will more than likely have the same success/failure rate as alcohol education. We all know the effects of alcohol and alcohol is arguably the most widely consumed physiologically affective drug on the planet.

 

"But I didn't inhale and I never tried it again." We may or never know the private inner thinking's of our law makers; will their vote be persuaded for; humanitarian, medical or government financial reasons. What some will do though is they will most certainly vote according to their next electoral prospects.

 

Do I support the personal use of cannabis, CBD & THC varieties ?, YES.

 

Do I support the personal growing of cannabis, CBD & THC varieties ?, YES. (similar to home brewing but set a limit on the number of plants eg: 3 or 4)

 

Can I share my personally grown cannabis with friends in the home environment ? YES (same as for home brewed alcohol)

 

Do I support an age limit ? YES (same as for alcohol)

 

Do I support prescribed medicinal CBD ? YES. including babies where, for example, it has proven miraculous benefits in the treatment of epilepsy. It also decreases nausea and increases appetite especially beneficial in cancer patients and of course it miraculous pain relieving qualities. (being a retired paediatric nurse personal experience here).

 

Do I support legalised and watch-dogged retail cannabis outlets ? YES (known quality of product)

 

Do I support looser laws concerning legalised non THC hemp farming in NZ ? YES (I have 2 hemp t-shirts and a pair of hemp shorts that are 25 years old and apart from very slight wash fading they are still in exceptional condition)

 

PS: Interesting article here: Debunking the Hemp Conspiracy Theory

 

 





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I posted this on another thread just before Xmas.

 

My husband is currently being prescribed medicinal CBD oil by our GP as he has cancer.  It is from a Canadian company called Tilray and we obtain it from our local chemist.  It cost's $550 for 100ml bottle which lasts him about 5-6 weeks.

 

This is legal and has been for a some time.  We have also been able to travel to both Aus and the USA with this without any issues.  We are very fortunate that we can afford this, but I do feel very sorry for those with chronic pain illnesses that are unable to sustain the cost.  From being someone who never touched drugs and disagreed with legalising them I have become much better educated in this past year and now believe strongly that medicinal cannabis should be available on prescription at a reasonable cost.  I have read many stories of parents who need it for children with severe conditions through to MS sufferers who are able to get through the day with CBD oil.

 

My husband came out of hospital on 80mg of morphine a day with the associated constipation, diarrhea, appetite enhancing drugs to go with it - it was a long list.  Within 10 days of being on the CBD oil he was finished with ALL those drugs that were messing him up badly.  He has been through 6 rounds of chemo (18 weeks) and a subsequent 5 rounds of radiation whilst still on the CBD oil and hasn't vomited once.  He started to sleep much better once he was on it and his appetite returned.  I really can't rate it highly enough for what he has been through and now have no problem with people using it.

 

As others have said I don't believe the police will be actively trying to prosecute anyone using cannabis for a diagnosed medical condition.  If anyone has any questions then please feel free to ask.  Dr Gilbransen definitely diagnoses from his practice on Lincoln Road, Henderson in Auckland and the pharmacy next door dispenses CBD oil.  I have heard that there will shortly be capsules rather than a liquid available in NZ so I'm currently investigating that as well.

 

 


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  # 2158302 11-Jan-2019 14:38
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networkn:

 

I support medicinal (for proven relief) and end of life access to canabis in a medical form..

 

 

Where do you think this medical Cannabis should be sourced?

 

If you're providing Cannabis for medical use it needs to be a quality controlled product.
You can't have ill people being exposed to pesticides, fungicides, mould and random levels of the 'active' ingredients.

 

Should the government begin production of Cannabis for medical reasons?
Or regulate production by private, for profit industry through licensing?


 
 
 
 


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  # 2158307 11-Jan-2019 14:44
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Horseychick:

 

I posted this on another thread just before Xmas.

 

My husband is currently being prescribed medicinal CBD oil by our GP as he has cancer.  It is from a Canadian company called Tilray and we obtain it from our local chemist.  It cost's $550 for 100ml bottle which lasts him about 5-6 weeks.

 

 

Very sorry to hear about your husband.

Tilray - as far as I know - is the only Licensed Producer able to supply product to New Zealand and Australia.

It's a shame there's not yet much competition in the market.


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  # 2158420 11-Jan-2019 17:24
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From being someone who never touched drugs and disagreed with legalising them I have become much better educated in this past year and now believe strongly that medicinal cannabis should be available on prescription at a reasonable cost.  I have read many stories of parents who need it for children with severe conditions through to MS sufferers who are able to get through the day with CBD oil.

 

 

I'm also a recent convert to the benefits of Medical Cannabis and CBD. It has changed my life, in a quite unexpected way.

Messing around with fast cars when young and silly I managed to break my back, - not once, but twice.
When the bloom of youth wore off I began to suffer increasing pain and spasm from nerve and spinal cord damage.

 

My only experience of Cannabis was of the 'joint being passed around at parties' type and - if I thought of Medicinal Cannabis - it was as non scientific mumbo jumbo, an excuse for stoners to smoke pot, rather than any sort of proven medical solution.

 

While visiting Canada in 2015 – at the insistence of my wife - I tried CBD for pain relief. And was stunned to find it more effective than my pain medications.

 

I also discovered, to my surprise, that – in my case - ingesting CBD oil was less effective than inhaling (Vaping) certain varieties of High CBD - Low THC Cannabis plant. It seemed the Entourage effect of CBD, Cannabinoids and Terpenes was far more effective for me than the oil alone.

 

Back in NZ - while Canada was progressing towards full legalisation – even CBD wasn't available, let alone the specialised strain of flower I'd found.
 
We had a conference with the kids, and in June last year my family and I moved from NZ to Canada - my wife (who has a plant sciences background) planning to take a Cannabis Production position with a Licensed Producer - and the legalisation of recreational Cannabis pending in July.

With Legalisation delayed until mid October, she took a Continuing Education course in Cannabis Regulation, Licensing and Retail, passed her Sellsafe & Qualified Cannabis Worker Certifications, a police check– and now works as a Cannabis retailer for a company that sells both medical and recreational Cannabis..


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  # 2159523 11-Jan-2019 22:23
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Hammerer:

 

 

I don’t want to hijack this discussion again but I had to leave today and was unable to reply to some comments properly. Since then others have made some good points so I will only say what I feel I must to defend myself from criticisms levelled at me. I responded in part earlier, but was rushed and could not say what I wanted to. Also, I have now had time to reflect and feel able to better address the points raised.

 

First, @hammerer accuses me of being disparaging about another post because of a statement I made. That is based on a misreading. I was not being disparaging at all and I was not referring to the other post. I was simply making an assertion. If people connected that to the other post, then I was not clear enough. The other post, which I said I agree with, stated that we should proceed with caution and that it will be critical how the referendum is handled. I asserted that some people have closed themselves off to changing their ideas when confronted with new information.

 

I am also accused of similar inflexibility, with the implication of hypocrisy. I have in fact changed my opinion on the basis of new information. I cheered when the drinking age was lowered and later came to the regrettable conclusion that it was a mistake, certainly in the way it was done. I have also accepted the evidence that cannabis is not as harmless as I once thought it was, possibly because the nature of it has changed. However, I do not agree with the conclusion some others attach to this.

 

My statement about some people not being able (or willing) to change their ideas on this subject is not simply made up. I have personally encountered many people who have demonstrated this kind of rigid thinking, particularly where cannabis is concerned. I have also seen many statements by public figures. Bill English is one. He actually said that he didn’t care what the facts were, no way would cannabis ever be legalised on his watch. I don’t have the exact quote, but I’m sure I could find it.

 

Next I am accused of ‘attempting to deny the relevance of individual experience’. I’m not quite sure what is meant by this. I have individual experience. So do many others I know. Is the only relevant individual experience that which is negative? I have known many cannabis users in my younger days. I was one myself. To the best of my knowledge, none of us ever became schizophrenic. As I said elsewhere, what about the individual experience of all those who have suffered at the hands of the justice system?

 

The comment about the person who committed suicide is the hardest to deal with. This is a highly emotional matter, as well as a tragedy. I have no wish to trample on anyone’s feelings but I don’t think it is appropriate to use this as an argument in the way it was presented. Nothing is known about the individual or the situation. No context or background is provided, just that someone who smoked cannabis had a schizophrenic episode and killed himself. This is not the way to make a point if you are trying to persuade someone.

 

 





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  # 2159524 11-Jan-2019 22:33
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networkn:

 

Just because people hold deep seated views that won't change, doesn't make those views incorrect or invalid.

 

 

Absolutely true. But I have encountered plenty of people who stubbornly cling to views that are demonstrably incorrect or invalid and they still won't give up on them. Some people are just like that. Others are prepared to change their views when new information is presented to them. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 





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  # 2159525 11-Jan-2019 22:53
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Such is the difference between someone interested in the truth and someone interested in furthering their ideology.

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I read some experts making an argument on "there are no objective truths, as all truths are subjective". I'm not expert enough to confirm or refute.





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Hammerer:

 

My personal experience is that about half the people who tell me that they are schizophrenic, also tell me that it started after they smoked cannabis in their teens. The one who was most adamant about the connection - he had his first episode that same week - can't testify to that experience because, like many others, he too has killed himself.

 

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Are you a medical professional? How is that you seem to have so much experience of people who are schizophrenic?

 

No, I've never worked in any role or organisation that gave me more first-hand experience. And I don't claim "so much experience", just sufficient to observe significant overlaps with epilepsy and drug use.

 

If 1 in 300 are diagnosed with schizophrenia and I meet about a 100 people each year with sufficient opportunity to reveal such information then I would now be expected to know about 10 such people. I've met more but there is no pattern I can see among them (* for cannabis use): a girl I liked at university, a friend who lived next door and some of her AA friends*, a guy who worked at a desk across the aisle in another IT section, a young guy* who regularly walked past our house while he was high, the friend* who killed himself had joined a group I was part of, a couple we helped out by babysitting their children, the father* of a child we fostered, and so on.

 

Maybe I talk to strangers more, am not as much put-off by strange behaviour, am compassionate, talk about deeper issues more often and remember such salient comments for longer.


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Hammerer:

 

Rikkitic:

 

Hammerer:

 

My personal experience is that about half the people who tell me that they are schizophrenic, also tell me that it started after they smoked cannabis in their teens. The one who was most adamant about the connection - he had his first episode that same week - can't testify to that experience because, like many others, he too has killed himself.

 

...

 

Are you a medical professional? How is that you seem to have so much experience of people who are schizophrenic?

 

No, I've never worked in any role or organisation that gave me more first-hand experience. And I don't claim "so much experience", just sufficient to observe significant overlaps with epilepsy and drug use.

 

If 1 in 300 are diagnosed with schizophrenia and I meet about a 100 people each year with sufficient opportunity to reveal such information then I would now be expected to know about 10 such people. I've met more but there is no pattern I can see among them (* for cannabis use): a girl I liked at university, a friend who lived next door and some of her AA friends*, a guy who worked at a desk across the aisle in another IT section, a young guy* who regularly walked past our house while he was high, the friend* who killed himself had joined a group I was part of, a couple we helped out by babysitting their children, the father* of a child we fostered, and so on.

 

Maybe I talk to strangers more, am not as much put-off by strange behaviour, am compassionate, talk about deeper issues more often and remember such salient comments for longer.

 

 

I don't think you need to be a medical professional to know that smoking increases the risk of lung cancer, and in the same vein that cannabis use increases the risk of schizophrenia? [as both are printed on the sales box]





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