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  Reply # 2194742 9-Mar-2019 20:01
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Just spoke to My anti vaxx friends are not concerned at all. They are probably planning a party to celebrate.




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  Reply # 2194749 9-Mar-2019 20:23
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5 more cases in Canterbury for Saturday!

 

Bringing the current "reported" total to 20.


 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 2194832 9-Mar-2019 22:53
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And it continues, again in the USA:

 

Unvaccinated US boy almost dies of tetanus, it cost over US$1 million to save him

 

"The 2017 case is the first case of pediatric tetanus in Oregon in more than 30 years and alarmed infectious disease experts who said tetanus is almost unheard of in the US since widespread immunisation began in the 1940s."

 

"The child received an emergency dose of the tetanus vaccine in the hospital, but his parents declined to give him a second dose - or any other childhood shots - after he recovered, the paper said."

 

What is it going to take, Darwinism, Eugenics or both, before these selfish idiots realise they are not only harming their children directly but the rest of the population indirectly through the disruption of herd immunity. I wonder if it could be argued in court that these parents are "practising intentional genocide" of the surrounding population where they reside.

 

I hope the parents were made to pay the US$1 million even if they were insured, the insurance company must have a way out by saying that they, the parents, did not take due diligence in protecting the health and well being of their child.

 

 





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https://www.destructoid.com/plague-inc-to-add-anti-vaxxer-player-buff-to-game-after-online-petition-544631.phtml

Plague Inc. to add anti-vaxxer player buff to game after online petition

"I'm a man of science. I know there are people who are way smarter than I am who know what they are talking about when it comes to their field of study. Even as someone educated in a scientific field, I understand that while I may be an expert, there are others who are far more knowledgeable than I and defer to their experiences and studies. When I see anti-intellectualism movements like the flat-earth belief or anti-vaxxers, it rightfully boils my blood.

So it warms my science-loving heart to see that Ndemic, the developer of the Plague Inc. strategy game, has embraced a petition to bring the anti-vax movement into their game, in an appropriately mocking way of course. The petition on Change.org, which originally called for 10,000 signatures, was noticed and signal boosted in a tweet by the developers which quickly brought in a cool 20,000+ signatures. This also marks the first time that anything that came from Change.org actually got something done.

While details on the addition are still under wraps, the developers are excited to know that even years after launch, there is still a strong community for the morbid strategy game. Speaking to Eurogamer, developer James Vaughn said:

It's great to see so many people sticking up for science! We're currently working out how Anti-Vaxxers will work in the game - we have a few ideas that we're trying out and running them through our algorithms. The biggest challenge is that if everyone in Plague Inc.'s global simulation suddenly stopped getting vaccinated then it would be a very easy game to win! On a side note, it's amazing that six years after the game was released there is still such a huge and passionate community for Plague Inc. It means a lot to us and it makes it a lot of fun to keep working on new updates!


Having only played a precious few hours of the game, I'm not at liberty to go into deep speculation about how this could be implemented well. My best guess would be a single country adopts a policy of no vaccinations but I can't see how this wouldn't just spell the end of that country in short order. Although maybe that's the point? Stupid anti-vaxxers."

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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/arizona-lawmaker-calls-mandatory-measles-vaccine-communist-amid-fight-control-n978121

Arizona lawmaker calls mandatory measles vaccine 'communist' amid fight to control outbreaks

"The idea that we force someone to give up their liberty for the sake of the collective is not based on American values," the state representative wrote on Facebook.

An Arizona lawmaker has decried mandatory vaccinations as being tantamount to communism — an assertion that experts call a "false argument" that dangerously undermines efforts to control measles outbreaks in this country.

The legislator, Republican state Rep. Kelly Townsend, wrote in a Facebook post on Thursday
Our country is sovereign, our State is sovereign, our family is sovereign, our God is sovereign and the most holy and sacred last frontier of sovereignty is our own body.

Dearest friends and people of Arizona, it seems we are prepared to give up our liberty, the very sovereignty of our body, because of measles. I read yesterday that the idea is being floated that if not enough people get vaccinated, then we are going to force them to. The idea that we force someone to give up their liberty for the sake of the collective is not based on American values but rather, Communist.

I have sworn an oath to the Constitution five times, now, and I take that oath very seriously. It was not just something I repeated in order to get sworn in to an office. I do not make my decisions based on my next election or what the populace demands if it violates that oath.

Folks, I am going to ask you to educate your children, educate your family, educate those around you about the fundamentals of liberty and what that means. It seems we have lost those fundamentals along the way and are chasing our fears.

And finally, I am going to demand, as a mother of an injured child from her vaccines, that we insist that we spend the time and money on discovering what in these vaccines is causing so much injury, instead of insisting on taking your liberty in the name of the collective.

Benjamin Franklin once said, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

Live free or die,
Rep. Kelly Townsend


Her post came a day after Gov. Doug Ducey, R-Ariz., said he was "pro-vaccination" and told reporters he would not sign any bills that would expand vaccine exemption categories in his state.

Study after study has proven the safety of vaccines.

But so far this year, nearly 160 cases of measles have been reported in the United States, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The cases span 10 states, including four that are experiencing outbreaks: New York, Washington, Texas and Illinois.

Many cases are due to parents not vaccinating their children out of fear of adverse reactions, such as the risk of developing autism, though science has repeatedly found there to be no such link.

Public health experts were quick to condemn Townsend's Facebook post.

"It's a false argument," said Dr. Peter Jay Hotez, director of the Texas Children’s Hospital Center for Vaccine Development at the Baylor College of Medicine and author of “Vaccines Did Not Cause Rachel’s Autism." The book disputes any connection between vaccines and autism spectrum disorder and describes his experience of raising a daughter with autism.

"If you're a child, you have a fundamental right to be protected against deadly infectious diseases," he said. "Just like if you're a child, you have a fundamental right to be put into a car seat or safety belt."

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  Reply # 2195186 10-Mar-2019 18:03
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kingdragonfly: 

"If you're a child, you have a fundamental right to be protected against deadly infectious diseases," he said. "Just like if you're a child, you have a fundamental right to be put into a car seat or safety belt."

 

👍 Wow I love that argument, wish I had thought of it. 👍





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  Reply # 2195189 10-Mar-2019 18:10
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Just in case an anti-vaxxer comes across this, antibiotics cannot kill viruses because bacteria and viruses, like Measles, have different mechanisms and machinery to survive and replicate.

The antibiotic has no “target” to attack in a virus. However, antiviral medications and vaccines, like Measle vaccines, are specific for viruses.



https://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/antivaxxer-lawmaker-says-measles-virus-isnt-a-big-deal-because-we-have-antibiotics/

Anti-Vaxxer US Lawmaker Says Measles Virus Isn't A Big Deal Because We Have Antibiotics

The world is lit up with reports of measles outbreaks, from the Philippines and Ukraine to France and the US. However, one lawmaker in Texas is not fazed by any of this news. Bill Zedler, a Republican state representative and prominent ally of anti-vaxxers, recently said the outbreaks of measles and other viruses are not a concern because the US has antibiotics.

“They want to say people are dying of measles. Yeah, in third-world countries they’re dying of measles,” Zedler said Tuesday, according to The Texas Observer. “Today, with antibiotics and that kind of stuff, they’re not dying in America.

This is not the Soviet Union, you know,” he added.

However, measles is caused by a virus, not bacteria. Antibiotics are totally ineffective against all viruses. It’s pretty much like fighting fire with a gun.

In fact, there is no specific medical treatment for measles once a person is infected. This is why it is so important to vaccinate and stop the disease at the gates. Although the disease can be deadly, measles can easily be prevented with two doses of a vaccine, which is often administered through the combined MMR vaccine that protects against measles, mumps, and rubella.

Zedler’s comments come after Matt Krause, a Republican member of the Texas House of Representatives, filed a bill to make it easier for parents to opt out of vaccinations at a time where a lack of vaccinations is causing disease outbreaks worldwide. Parents must currently apply in writing for an exemption from the Department of State Health Services to opt out of vaccinations for their child if they’re at a public school. Krause’s bill would allow parents to simply print out a blank exemption form, making the process significantly quicker and easier.

Meanwhile, measles cases are on the rise in 98 countries across the world, including the US. The World Health Organization (WHO) states that the prime cause of the increase is the “failure to vaccinate”, which they say is often fueled by misinformation. Much of this misformation, especially in Europe and the US, can be trailed back to a fraudulent study by Andrew Wakefield that linked the MMR vaccine to autism. The study has since been retracted and Wakefield is banned from practicing as a doctor in the UK after the General Medical Council found him guilty of “serious professional misconduct".

“The level of misinformation – the world that we live in now – is causing threats to that success in many parts of the world,” Professor Katherine O’Brien, WHO’s Director of Immunization and Vaccines, told reporters on February 14, 2019. “There has been an enormous bout of misinformation that has caused damage to the measles effort.”

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  Reply # 2195358 10-Mar-2019 22:17
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What can you even do against that kind of stupidity? If there is public support for it I would pass a law mandating vaccination with severe penalties for non-compliance. I would not even try to argue with these morons. Let them believe that the deep state conspiracy is finally revealing itself and subjecting them all to mind control. Let them believe any idiotic thing they like. But round them up, march them to jail, and stick them with a needle. No excuses, no exemptions.

 

If there isn't public support for this, then give up, go away, abandon the poor children to their idiot parents, and devote the resources somewhere that you can actually make a difference. I happened to see the item on the Hope Ship tonight on TV. Dedicated doctors and other staff donate their time and money to travel to severely deprived places to help people in real need. Most of these people have little or no education. They live in terrible poverty. They suffer from terrible maladies. But their appreciation of the treatments they receive is unbounded. These people are so much more deserving, and so much brighter, than the overfed western imbeciles braying at the moon about vaccination.

 

 





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So, I find myself in a horrible situation as it relates to this.

 

I was given the measles vaccine as a kid, which I am now told wasn't entirely effective. I am 41 and people in my age group are being advised to get a booster. Due to needing to take prednisone for another condition, I am able to take this booster, for 3 months after I finish my prednisose which I must take for 6 more weeks.

 

This puts me at direct risk of contracting and passing on measles in some situations! I am effectively relying on herd immunisation to protect me against this.

 

I shouldn't even have to be worried about this in 2019.

 

I'll post citations for reference in a little bit.

 

 


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networkn:

 

I was given the measles vaccine as a kid, which I am now told wasn't entirely effective. I am 41 and people in my age group are being advised to get a booster.

 

 

Where does one find out if they are in the same situation?  Being 44, I suspect I'm in the same sort of age bracket for this issue.





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networkn:

 

I was given the measles vaccine as a kid, which I am now told wasn't entirely effective. I am 41 and people in my age group are being advised to get a booster.

 

 

Where does one find out if they are in the same situation?  Being 44, I suspect I'm in the same sort of age bracket for this issue.

 

 

 

 

http://www.immune.org.nz/hot-topic/measles-overseas-and-new-zealand

 

 

 

MMR catch-up for children at primary, intermediate or high school, and adults born in 1969 or later

 

We can only use documented immunisation records to determine what vaccines have been given.
No matter how well intentioned a parent or person is when they say they or I “would have had everything when I was young” we cannot use that as evidence of immunisation.
It is not necessary to do serology testing.
It is appropriate to vaccinate if you cannot easily locate immunsation records.
Vaccination is a safer option than possibly leaving a person susceptible to measles whilst they are searching for records.
In the absence of documented doses of MMR vaccine administered from 12 months of age and a minimum of 28 days apart people born 1969 or later are recommended to receive MMR vaccinations
if they don't have any documented MMR doses – give two doses of MMR vaccine 28 days apart;
if they have one MMR dose documented (administered at 12 months of age or older) – give one further MMR at least 28 days after the previous dose.
Individuals born in New Zealand prior to 1969 are considered to be immune to measles as there was no measles containing vaccine until 1969 and the disease is so highly infectious.

 

 

 

 

 

Basically, if you fall between those two groups, and have only had 1 treatment, you should have a second treatment. Priority is obviously Christchurch right, but the advice I am being given, is if you can get it, and you've only had one dose, get a second dose. Check with your doctor.

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 2195935 11-Mar-2019 15:25
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networkn:

So, I find myself in a horrible situation as it relates to this.


I was given the measles vaccine as a kid, which I am now told wasn't entirely effective. I am 41 and people in my age group are being advised to get a booster. Due to needing to take prednisone for another condition, I am able to take this booster, for 3 months after I finish my prednisose which I must take for 6 more weeks.


This puts me at direct risk of contracting and passing on measles in some situations! I am effectively relying on herd immunisation to protect me against this.


I shouldn't even have to be worried about this in 2019.


I'll post citations for reference in a little bit.


 



I thought You can check your immunity status with a blood test?




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  Reply # 2195937 11-Mar-2019 15:26
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If you need to have a jab for a blood test, and you dont' have any evidence of a second treatment, may as well save yourself a needle, in my view :) 

 

 


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