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  Reply # 2198299 14-Mar-2019 23:05
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Todays media stand-up (live on FB daily) outlined the stats after a question was raised (like the linked 2017 numbers)

 

Of the 28:

 

0 Shot: 18 (presumed 'majority'

 

1 Shot: 6

 

2 Shot: 4 (up from 2 yesterday - noted as rare/minority)

 

 


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  Reply # 2198475 15-Mar-2019 11:23
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2-4 at this time is consistent with 95% vaccine effectiveness mentioned earlier.

 
 
 
 


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Thankfully I see plenty of rational debate in this thread, including discussion of herd immunity. Has anyone linked this or similar animations though illustrating why herd immunity is important? (had a quick watch of the penn and teller video and while I agree completely with it, it didn't really seem to illustrate why herd immunity works or how important it is to have a reasonably high portion of the population vaccinated. 

 

https://imgur.com/gallery/8M7q8#J7LANQ4 

 

Also came across an interesting simulator which lets you play with immunization and infection rates to see herd immunity in action (and how it breaks down when a relatively small but selfish percentage of the "herd" don't get vaccinated)

 

https://www.software3d.com/Home/Vax/Immunity.php

 

 


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  Reply # 2199554 16-Mar-2019 14:42
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Does anyone know why the recommendation for people in the 29 - 50 years age group, to get a booster vaccine. Only was released when this outbreak happened?


As I'm part way through the process of getting the 3 HPV vaccine shots done. (that vaccine didn't exist when I was at school). And I asked the nurse at the time, have there been any other changes to the vaccine schedule? And I was told that as long as I had received the required shots at the time, then I would be covered.

AFAIK it takes 4 weeks between receiving the vaccine, and when you are considered to be fully protected by it. That, plus the surge in demand on vaccine stocks causing shortages. It appears that someone in the Ministry of Health has made a serious stuff up. Why wasn't there a long term program to provide booster shots to those in the 29 - 50 age group? Instead of scrambling to reach these people, while the measles outbreak is occurring?





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  Reply # 2199562 16-Mar-2019 14:49
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Aredwood: Does anyone know why the recommendation for people in the 29 - 50 years age group, to get a booster vaccine. Only was released when this outbreak happened?


As I'm part way through the process of getting the 3 HPV vaccine shots done. (that vaccine didn't exist when I was at school). And I asked the nurse at the time, have there been any other changes to the vaccine schedule? And I was told that as long as I had received the required shots at the time, then I would be covered.

AFAIK it takes 4 weeks between receiving the vaccine, and when you are considered to be fully protected by it. That, plus the surge in demand on vaccine stocks causing shortages. It appears that someone in the Ministry of Health has made a serious stuff up. Why wasn't there a long term program to provide booster shots to those in the 29 - 50 age group? Instead of scrambling to reach these people, while the measles outbreak is occurring?


I asked this myself but the later media meetings did too and elaborate.

A single dose is considered 95% effective if the person gains immunity. The 2nd shot ensures take on those difficult persons and raises the effectiveness to 97%

So though we all had a single shot, as long as it took. It's still effective.
In the past when I banged myself up they checked I was advised to take booster tetanus then for example

It may be they expect people to visit the doc/go now and then and be advised case by case

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  Reply # 2201416 19-Mar-2019 10:33
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Amidst the other goings on down here. CDHB have done an update

 

30 confirmed (increase of 2 in a week)

 

2 Investigating. (down from 20)

 

Looks like something has done the trick.


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  Reply # 2202003 19-Mar-2019 20:27
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Coil:

 

JimmyH:

 

What I don't understand is how children who are able to be vaccinated (some medically can't) are allowed to be in early childhood education centres or schools where they are a hazard to other children?

 

If a child had nut allergies we rightly wouldn't allow all the other kids to bring peanut butter sandwiches, as they could literally kill the child with the allergy. Yet some kids with conditions like leukemia and egg allergies can't have some or all vaccines, and for some kids the vaccine doesn't work effectively, and these kids are at extreme risk if unvaccinated children mix with them and give them a condition such as measles. And an infant dying of measles is a truly terrible thing to witness.

 

Personally, I accept a parents right to decide on whether medical treatment should be provided to their children in *most* circumstances. However, I think if a child is able to be vaccinated and isn't then they are a hazard to other children. On this basis they shouldn't be allowed into a early childhood centre, and should have to do their schooling by correspondence. Otherwise they could literally kill other children.

 

 

Just because someone is not vaccinated, it does not mean they are a walking killing machine. 
As others have said before, just because you have had a vaccination, it also doesn't make you completely immune and if the herd immunity is strong then the chances of something developing and spreading is very small. So those ones which medically can't have it done are generally pretty safe and of no concern.

 

 

Except they are. Diseases like measles are highly contagious. Kids who can't be vaccinated or are too young to be vaccinated are very vulnerable. Measles can make them sick. It can even kill them. If you have ever seen a kid in hospital because of severe measles issues it's tragic to watch. So I remain of the view that unvaccinated people are a real hazard, particularly during an outbreak. And I as the parent of a newborn who isn't old enough to be vaccinated yet, I reserve my deepest and most profound contempt for the anti-vaxx crowd. And I do think that barring unvaccinated kids from childcare services would be a good thing - it would protect the other kids, and also create an incentive for parents to vaccinate kids.


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  Reply # 2202888 21-Mar-2019 15:43
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...and from Stuff today:

 

"On Thursday, the Canterbury District Health Board (CDHB) said the number of confirmed cases had risen to 34, with another five suspected."


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https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=12214798

Italian anti-vax politician hospitalised with chickenpox

Massimiliano Fedriga, the president of the Friuli-Venezia Giulia region and an anti-vax figure, was in hospital for four days after he contracted chickenpox.

An Italian politician who is against the country's mandatory vaccination laws has been hospitalised after contracting chickenpox.

Massimiliano Fedriga, a member of Italy's far-right League party, used Twitter to reveal he was ill, having spent the last four days in hospital with chickenpox.

"I'm fine, I'm at home in convalescence, and I thank everyone," he said.

But his revelation has since been mocked by social media users calling it "karma" for catching the highly contagious infection - which can be deadly in adults - after his public opposal to compulsory vaccinations against 12 diseases, including chickenpox.

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  Reply # 2204406 24-Mar-2019 20:13
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kingdragonfly: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=12214798

Italian anti-vax politician hospitalised with chickenpox

Massimiliano Fedriga, the president of the Friuli-Venezia Giulia region and an anti-vax figure, was in hospital for four days after he contracted chickenpox.

An Italian politician who is against the country's mandatory vaccination laws has been hospitalised after contracting chickenpox.

Massimiliano Fedriga, a member of Italy's far-right League party, used Twitter to reveal he was ill, having spent the last four days in hospital with chickenpox.

"I'm fine, I'm at home in convalescence, and I thank everyone," he said.

But his revelation has since been mocked by social media users calling it "karma" for catching the highly contagious infection - which can be deadly in adults - after his public opposal to compulsory vaccinations against 12 diseases, including chickenpox.

...

 

Karma indeed. There is a god after all. I hope he really itched. Maybe he will get measles next.

 

 





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