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  #2210017 3-Apr-2019 10:38
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networkn:

 

In the real world it doesn't work like this. The number of complications vs the cost of having facilities to deal with it, when hospitals are fully equipped to deal with all levels of complications, makes it much more sensible and SAFE than dealing with it themselves.

 

If you end up with the hospital billing private organizations for their surgical repairs, things get very litigous and we head to the USA style healthcare system, which I don't want and I am sure most others don't as well. 

 

Also if they did this, the cost of these ops would sky rocket (think 5K) to cover it, and pratices wouldn't do this type of surgery (Because of the risks vs reward) which would lead to a fully blown out surgery departments and *massively* longer waiting lists. It would also mean that people would be less likely to have these minor surgeries and that has run on effects.

 

The system works well the way it is, and edge cases like this one, are unfortunate but don't indicate significant issue. 

 

 

All good points, which I hadn't considered. Nevertheless, I still think that private medicine should pay in some way for repairs to operations done by private medicine, as much because this would motivate better post-op patient care as for cost recovery.

 

Possibly private hospitals should pay an annual fee, based on the number of post-op ED presentations?

 

 


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  #2210039 3-Apr-2019 11:04
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networkn:

 

In the real world it doesn't work like this. The number of complications vs the cost of having facilities to deal with it, when hospitals are fully equipped to deal with all levels of complications, makes it much more sensible and SAFE than dealing with it themselves.

 

If you end up with the hospital billing private organizations for their surgical repairs, things get very litigous and we head to the USA style healthcare system, which I don't want and I am sure most others don't as well. 

 

Also if they did this, the cost of these ops would sky rocket (think 5K) to cover it, and pratices wouldn't do this type of surgery (Because of the risks vs reward) which would lead to a fully blown out surgery departments and *massively* longer waiting lists. It would also mean that people would be less likely to have these minor surgeries and that has run on effects.

 

The system works well the way it is, and edge cases like this one, are unfortunate but don't indicate significant issue. 

 

 

All good points, which I hadn't considered. Nevertheless, I still think that private medicine should pay in some way for repairs to operations done by private medicine, as much because this would motivate better post-op patient care as for cost recovery.

 

Possibly private hospitals should pay an annual fee, based on the number of post-op ED presentations?

 

 

 

 

So, the question then would be, who is responsible? If (and I am not suggesting this is the case) the complications the OP experienced were a result or contributed to, by the OP not following post op care, or not following it properly, then who pays? Who determines it?  If the doctor believes it was the patient's fault, but the patient swears black and blue they did exactly what was asked of them.... 

 

Who pays if there is a dispute? The cost of chasing down this money and potential litigation would far exceed the cost to the healthcare system.

 

 


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  #2210041 3-Apr-2019 11:05
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If the doctor believes it was the patient's fault, but the patient swears black and blue they did exactly what was asked of them.... 

 

 

Yes, black and blue in this case... 😅





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Just had a Yates drain removed from my scrotum.  Did not realise it was so long.

 

Attached is an image, not explicit but not for the weak stomached.  the dried blood at the top is what was sticking out of me.

 

 

 

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Just had a Yates drain removed from my scrotum.  Did not realise it was so long.

 

Attached is an image, not explicit but not for the weak stomached.  the dried blood at the top is what was sticking out of me.

 

 

 

https://cdn.geekzone.co.nz/imagessubs/b34325dc1c91ed93873210d62cf51f1e.jpg 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I was warned....


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  #2210045 3-Apr-2019 11:09
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Why would they even give that to you? Surely that would go into the biohazard discard pile?





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Why would they even give that to you? Surely that would go into the biohazard discard pile?

 

 

The district nurses removed it at home.  I asked if I could take a photo of it and dispose of it later.  I was curious :) 







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  #2210056 3-Apr-2019 11:31
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freitasm:

 

Why would they even give that to you? Surely that would go into the biohazard discard pile?

 

 

The district nurses removed it at home.  I asked if I could take a photo of it and dispose of it later.  I was curious :) 

 

 

You and I are very different. I have ZERO curiosity related to my medical matters. I don't want to know what is happening, don't need an explanation and definately don't want to see what's put in me or pulled out of me. 

 

I had a tumour removed from my neck. Surgeon walks in and starts talking about it. I was "I don't care. I trust you to do your job. Tell me what is absolutely *required* for me to know, otherwise, I'll see you on the other side". I also have my eyes closed during ANY dental work completed. I don't want to see anything coming. 

 

 

 

 


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  #2210058 3-Apr-2019 11:34
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blackjack17: Did not realise it was so long.

 

 

 

Look: SIZE. DOESN'T. MATTER. OK?




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blackjack17:

Just had a Yates drain removed from my scrotum.  Did not realise it was so long.


Attached is an image, not explicit but not for the weak stomached.  the dried blood at the top is what was sticking out of me.


 


https://cdn.geekzone.co.nz/imagessubs/b34325dc1c91ed93873210d62cf51f1e.jpg 


 



Does it hurt coming out?




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Batman:
blackjack17:

Just had a Yates drain removed from my scrotum.  Did not realise it was so long.


Attached is an image, not explicit but not for the weak stomached.  the dried blood at the top is what was sticking out of me.


 


https://cdn.geekzone.co.nz/imagessubs/b34325dc1c91ed93873210d62cf51f1e.jpg 


 



Does it hurt coming out?


Cutting the stitches holding it place did (short and sharp), but the removal was a release.

The have packed the hole at the moment, and are coming back tomorrow to make sure the drainage has stopped.

They don't stitch the wound but it is meant to heal quickly.





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networkn:

blackjack17:


freitasm:


Why would they even give that to you? Surely that would go into the biohazard discard pile?



The district nurses removed it at home.  I asked if I could take a photo of it and dispose of it later.  I was curious :) 



You and I are very different. I have ZERO curiosity related to my medical matters. I don't want to know what is happening, don't need an explanation and definately don't want to see what's put in me or pulled out of me. 


I had a tumour removed from my neck. Surgeon walks in and starts talking about it. I was "I don't care. I trust you to do your job. Tell me what is absolutely *required* for me to know, otherwise, I'll see you on the other side". I also have my eyes closed during ANY dental work completed. I don't want to see anything coming. 


 


 



I'm firmly in the "watch" camp - when I had mine done, the Doc made the nurse go a get a pillow for me when he realised I was going to half sit-up and watch what he was up to.

I then drove the 2 hr journey home - had to stop half way when the local wore off and buy a bag of frozen peas to sit in my lap!

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Ge0rge:

I'm firmly in the "watch" camp - when I had mine done, the Doc made the nurse go a get a pillow for me when he realised I was going to half sit-up and watch what he was up to.

I then drove the 2 hr journey home - had to stop half way when the local wore off and buy a bag of frozen peas to sit in my lap!

 

 

I am too, I was getting some stitches in my hand once and the nurse told me to lie down while she did it, I said I was fine as I wanted to watch. She said a lot of guys say that and then subsequently she has to pick them off the floor when they pass out. 

 

I again said I was fine and watched quite happily.

 

I didn't watch when I was given the snip, more because sitting up more would have been uncomfortable rather than anything else.

 

 


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Ge0rge: 

 

I'm firmly in the "watch" camp - when I had mine done, the Doc made the nurse go a get a pillow for me when he realised I was going to half sit-up and watch what he was up to.

I then drove the 2 hr journey home - had to stop half way when the local wore off and buy a bag of frozen peas to sit in my lap!

 

 

I am much of the watcher myself too!
Recently when I had a cut on my hand that exposed all the tendons, nerves and bones I ended up opening it up further than the initial cut as I was curiously looking around under my skin. Amazing to see how it all works when you are moving your fingers like you are playing piano! I also went 3/4 way through a tendon to my middle finger in that cut.

I watched a nurse draw blood from me, was fine watching the whole time, on the 5th and final vial I said to her that she needs to stop it feels like I'm about to have a heart attack and my vision was fading to black slowly, heart went into overdrive and I passed out, that was the day I found out I have a low blood pressure...


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I have the same operation scheduled for next Friday.

 

 

Yeah, good luck with that 😆

 


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