2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2602813 12-Nov-2020 16:15

trig42:

The annoying thing is that this person felt ill on Monday, stayed at work, went to work Tuesday, got tested Tuesday afternoon, stayed at work and went back to work Wednesday...

FFS.

All we can hope for, is that that business is pretty quiet, and this infected case is a bit of a loner (apparently they told the initial interviewer they'd had very few contacts, and amazingly hadn't been to the gym or supermarket - that'd be a first!)

The person likely works part time(given they were an enrolled student) and has no option of holiday or sick days as a result of that. When you are single and living week to week in NZ's housing/rental market you might be in a financial position where you feel you have to work even when ill/waiting for results.

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#2602865 12-Nov-2020 16:35

Which is why the existing MSD-fudned Covid-19 sick leave scheme needed to include those advised to self-isolate following a test. Plenty of people work in situations where they won't have sick leave or for awful employers who won't play the game. It's a shame and perhaps 'unfair', but I think the government probably needs to foot the bill on that one as it's for the good of society as a whole.

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#2602884 12-Nov-2020 16:58

antonknee:
Which is why the existing MSD-fudned Covid-19 sick leave scheme needed to include those advised to self-isolate following a test. Plenty of people work in situations where they won't have sick leave or for awful employers who won't play the game. It's a shame and perhaps 'unfair', but I think the government probably needs to foot the bill on that one as it's for the good of society as a whole.

As per a few days ago, I thought they were already doing this. If not, then how can many people afford to self isolate? Potentially it could cost billions if Auckland go back into level 3

Also the lack of mandatory scanning or recording, and mask wearing public transport, it was just a matter of time before we went back into level 3 again, so false economy not to have a payment system in place. . Testing numbers also very low when you deduct border workers, and only increase when there is a border incursion.

Far too much complacency.

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#2602885 12-Nov-2020 17:01

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Scott3:

Clearly there is an issue around the management of fire alarms at MIQ facilities.

Yeah, but with a big chunk of the Hotels in Downtown Auckland, there is not really many empty locations nearby you can space out evacuated people (unless you started closing off streets?)

You world expect that it would have been identified when the hotel was assessed for its suitability. I understand this isn't the first time a fire alarm has gone off at a MIQ either.

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#2602887 12-Nov-2020 17:18

antonknee:

Which is why the existing MSD-fudned Covid-19 sick leave scheme needed to include those advised to self-isolate following a test. Plenty of people work in situations where they won't have sick leave or for awful employers who won't play the game. It's a shame and perhaps 'unfair', but I think the government probably needs to foot the bill on that one as it's for the good of society as a whole.

As per the latest media update the person called in sick to work after being told to isolate, had a conversation with their work manager and then went to work with a mask. Worked in a customer facing role.

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#2602889 12-Nov-2020 17:25

^^^ Madness. It is another example of how we can't trust some people to do the right thing.

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#2602939 12-Nov-2020 17:30

loceff13:

As per the latest media update the person called in sick to work after being told to isolate, had a conversation with their work manager and then went to work with a mask. Worked in a customer facing role.

That's great. Fashion store managers are now managing our C-19 response WRT isolation of staff awaiting test results.

What a stupid moron. Unbelievable.

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#2602956 12-Nov-2020 18:09

I’m really interested how case 1 and 2 in Wellington got home after lunch on the terrace. Case 1 is listed against hutt valley health board. I am hoping that both cases did not use public transport home I.e the hutt valley train

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#2602967 12-Nov-2020 18:50

Not 'out and about' much!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300157045/covid19-auckland-cbd-workers-asked-to-stay-home-friday-after-mystery-case-found

Red Pig Restaurant on Kitchener St, Saturday 6pm – 8.30pm
Smith and Caughey’s department store on Queen St, Saturday 3.50pm – 6pm
Starbucks on Queen St, Sunday 11.30am – 11.45am
Sunnytown Restaurant on Lorne St, Sunday 11.30am – 11.45am
The Gateau House at 332 Queen St, Sunday 6.40pm – 6.50pm
Starbucks on Queen St, Monday 11.30am – 11.40am
Sunnytown Restaurant on Lorne St, Monday 11.30am – 11.40am

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#2602991 12-Nov-2020 19:34

trig42:

The annoying thing is that this person felt ill on Monday, stayed at work, went to work Tuesday, got tested Tuesday afternoon, stayed at work and went back to work Wednesday...

FFS.

All we can hope for, is that that business is pretty quiet, and this infected case is a bit of a loner (apparently they told the initial interviewer they'd had very few contacts, and amazingly hadn't been to the gym or supermarket - that'd be a first!)

That's unfair, i wouldn't criticize anyone's circumstances or pass judgement. could be your sister.

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#2602992 12-Nov-2020 19:35

i don't know if people know that immediately getting a test and testing negative means nothing about their next 14 days

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#2603001 12-Nov-2020 20:02

Scott3:

Clearly there is an issue around the management of fire alarms at MIQ facilities.

Given the 24/7 staff on site, I wounder if alarms could be investigated before evacuating the building, hence eliminating the risk of false alarm evacuations (There must be procedures to do this that are used at the likes of events with pyrotechnics etc.)

If it is not realistic to keep people in isolation separate during a genuine fire alarm, then the period of isolation would need to be reset. We kinda have to have a way to keep them separate from the general population though.

freitasm: Another level of stupid for people with symptoms that go out. No sympathy.

At least they did the most important thing right, which was to get tested.

I think it is a bit harsh to call the person stupid. We know nothing of their personal circumstances.

Some employers aren't understanding, or compliant with the law when it comes to staff taking sick leave. Some staff don't have any paid sick leave (for example those who started within 6months, or those who have already used it up). Somebody deciding between going to work sick, or not being able buy food for next week may made decisions that are not in the best interest of the country as a whole.

Realistically NZ lacks the kind of easily accessible wrap around measures that would bee need for a high level of compliance with staying at home sick.Things such as a mini benefit for those with symptoms and no paid sick leave, plus a government backed force to come down on employers that retaliate against those taking sick leave.

That said I see a fair few people with minor respiratory symptoms in public, many at discretionary locations, so even with the above we would have issues.

Yes, but the people mingled. Yes, the authorities should have been alerted if its a drill, or maybe it was real. But for heaven's sake, are we sheep? Do MIQ residents need to be told to keep away? Do the residents next door need to be told to keep away? Its Common Sense 101

I agree with the bulk of your post but if you and I were in MIQ would we mingle? No. If we lived next door, would we mingle? No. As Dr B said today, the virus is the problem. the people are the solution, again, the people failed. We can't expect to have an awesome response when the people fail, and what aggravates me is many always blame the authorities. I was raised on a farm, maybe the authorities need sticks to guide the sheep?

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#2603002 12-Nov-2020 20:09

mattwnz:

As per a few days ago, I thought they were already doing this. If not, then how can many people afford to self isolate? Potentially it could cost billions if Auckland go back into level 3

Also the lack of mandatory scanning or recording, and mask wearing public transport, it was just a matter of time before we went back into level 3 again, so false economy not to have a payment system in place. . Testing numbers also very low when you deduct border workers, and only increase when there is a border incursion.

Far too much complacency.

I agree. I dunno about complacency, seems to me, many of us Kiwi's don't take it seriously. Is that complacency? Not sure. News tells us its not that bad. Seems to be dont care/lack of basic 101 compliance. Whatever the authorities do, they won't beat complacencies and lack of compliance. Maybe its time for instant $500 fines for basic 101 can't be bothered attitudes? Dr B said as I've already posted, people are the solution, but ive not a great deal of faith in people being left to do the right thing.

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#2603028 12-Nov-2020 21:15

tdgeek:

Do MIQ residents need to be told to keep away? Do the residents next door need to be told to keep away? Its Common Sense 101

People are dumb.

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#2603029 12-Nov-2020 21:22

tdgeek:

Yes, but the people mingled. Yes, the authorities should have been alerted if its a drill, or maybe it was real. But for heaven's sake, are we sheep? Do MIQ residents need to be told to keep away? Do the residents next door need to be told to keep away? Its Common Sense 101

I agree with the bulk of your post but if you and I were in MIQ would we mingle? No. If we lived next door, would we mingle? No. As Dr B said today, the virus is the problem. the people are the solution, again, the people failed. We can't expect to have an awesome response when the people fail, and what aggravates me is many always blame the authorities. I was raised on a farm, maybe the authorities need sticks to guide the sheep?

I think it is a fair assumption that it was not a drill. Running Drills in an Isolation facility seems to be an epic risk to carry for little gain.

Regarding the MIQ residents being told to keep away. Not much they can do to keep away from the general public (and other people in isolation) when they are required to leave their room, walk down the stairs, and assemble on a CBD footpath.

With regards to the general public being told not to mingle. Unless they know that the people standing on the footpath are in isolation, kinda hard for them to take any action. For the apartment building residents coming home or going out, kinda hard to know why there are a bunch of people in your doorway, or avoid them.

With regards to blaming the authorities, we have moved to a low trust way of managing covid-19 border isolation. The expectation is the entire process is tightly managed by the authorities. It seems that fire alarms are one area where this is not happening.

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