2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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Oblivian

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#2638535 19-Jan-2021 23:14

Looks like the Australians are a little slower than our labs to do Genomic breakdown and serology tests for age of infection?.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/tennis/two-players-test-positive-to-covid-19-in-australian-open-quarantine-20210119-p56vbv.html

Lot of the results being re-classified while these 'influencers' are racking up the views and attention ~~bagging how hard their life is when no-one is dropping at their feet to every demand~~ explaining how terrible living in a hotel and keeping a country relatively clean (compared to their own origins) remains that way, is

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#2638551 20-Jan-2021 07:16

Scott3:

Have been doing a little looking at vaccine cost.

Apparently Israel is paying an average of US$47 per person (US$23.5/dose) for the Pfizer, and moderna vaccines in an early access agreement. (Deal also requires them to share lots of data)

US is paying pfizer US$19.5/dose, and moderna US$18/dpose

EU-27 bloc pfizer is paying $14.76/dose, and moderna US$15/dose.

"The BBC reported a day earlier that Pfizer was marketing its vaccines to countries at a price range of $10.65 to $21 per dose, while Moderna’s range was $25 to $37 per dose."

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-said-to-be-paying-average-of-47-per-person-for-pfizer-moderna-vaccines/

Frankly all the numbers seem easily affordable for first world countries. pfizier vaccines for 4m people (no body has approved it for under 16's yet) at Israels price would ruin at NZ$280m. Note this is just the cost for the vaccines. Also need to distribute and put it in peoples arms. For comparison the cost of the second lockdown (Auckland level 30 was said to be NZ$440m/week).

Seems good value in that light, other than the ethics of outbidding poorer hard covid-19 hit nations.

Commentators on the above story note that Canada placed their Pfizer order prior to Israel, but Israel is having it delivered first. Obviously either the money of the early access data has allowed them to jump the queue.

Why isn't NZ being Israel right now? A small(ish) country that could have been the first in the world to be fully vaccinated. Do our problems stem from wanting to pay a fraction of those costs for our vaccines and putting too much faith in lower cost vaccines such as the UQ one?

Did we totally miss the boat because we weren't willing to actually pay good money to be front of the queue despite Chris Hipkins telling us in November that we would be?

I'm at least glad our Government doesn't take advice from Siouxsie Wiles.

kingdragonfly

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#2638562 20-Jan-2021 07:39

Dratsab:No mistake. A deliberate attempt at misinformation carried out by some extremely inept people.

Conspirators give the evil World Order cabal too much credit.

To make something that sends/receive any sort of signal, and fit through a hypodermic needle.

The biggest needle hole is 0.4 mm, which is comically large.

The average human eyes can see objects approximately 0.1 mm in size

The wavelength of 5G is 1.0 to 10.0 mm. In English, an effective antenna that may fit through a needle hole, if it were extremely skinny, and by chance oriented correctly, but you'd definitely see it.

You'd have to make billions of nanomachines. The best we got at this scale is a drill. It would bankrupt any government in the world to produce these at scale.

wellygary

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#2638586 20-Jan-2021 09:07

sbiddle:

Why isn't NZ being Israel right now? A small(ish) country that could have been the first in the world to be fully vaccinated. Do our problems stem from wanting to pay a fraction of those costs for our vaccines and putting too much faith in lower cost vaccines such as the UQ one?

Did we totally miss the boat because we weren't willing to actually pay good money to be front of the queue despite Chris Hipkins telling us in November that we would be?

I'm at least glad our Government doesn't take advice from Siouxsie Wiles.

Probably because there is not a lot of data to be gained from immunising a population against a disease that is not circulating in the community??

Israel is still averaging 8000+ new cases a day ( in a population of 9 million) although it looks like it might have just started to slow...

But it certainly provides a much richer dataset for a drug company than immunising 5 million kiwis sitting behind a 1000 mile moat....

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#2638604 20-Jan-2021 09:49

New Atlas: COVID-19 pandemic triggers largest drop in US life expectancy in decades

...The latest projections for 2020, published in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, calculate a single-year drop in US life expectancy of 1.13 years, down to 77.48 years. The researchers hypothesize this could be a beginning of a pandemic-influenced decline in US life expectancy spanning several years, greater than anything seen since the 1918 influenza pandemic.

“… a rapid return to pre−COVID-19 life expectancy is unlikely, due to the anticipated continued presence of the severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2, long-term detrimental health impacts for those who recovered from the virus, deaths from other health conditions that were precipitated by COVID-19, and social and economic losses resulting from the pandemic,” the researchers write in the new study.

Looking at minority communities the life expectancy declines from 2020 are even more unsettling. Black communities are predicted to lose 2.10 years in life expectancy (down to 72.78 years) and Latino life expectancy will drop a startling 3.05 years (down to 78.77 years).
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