2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2641084 24-Jan-2021 16:55

duckDecoy:
Went to super today after the announcement. Almost nobody scanning, and I was the only one masked.

I'd like to see shops and public transport being a little more proactive around scanning. Even if just saying "if you could scan that would be great" at the till/driver would get a lot more people doing it i think.

The same ones that kick back with 'we don't have the staff to do that' are likely the same who have been dealing with smeg knife inquiries for the last month :p

Went out just before 4, and a few more people were keen to despite the full details not yet being known.

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#2641087 24-Jan-2021 17:05

I always scan. 2nd nature.

Quite a few times at places like supermarkets I've stopped to scan and other shoppers walk past and see me scan in and they themselves turn around and then scan in.
It's like "oh yeah, better do that scan "

My thoughts are no longer my own and is probably representative of our media-controlled government

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#2641088 24-Jan-2021 17:05

Most supermarkets would have queues in busy periods if everyone that entered took the time to scan.

A couple of times I've scanned and then noticed someone behind me ready to scan. It's if they saw me scan and it reminded them that they should scan too.

I hear that people have been rushing to the supermarket this afternoon. You think they would have learnt from last time that you can still shop there in all alert levels and almost nothing runs out.

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#2641089 24-Jan-2021 17:07

Tv3 interviewed dr Baker with normal gloom outlook afterwards.

Still saying hotels aren't impenetrable, but not able to suggest an alternative solution. Other than stop them leaving overseas locations

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#2641092 24-Jan-2021 17:18

One key difference with supermarkets (all Foodstuffs and Countdown sites) and many other retailers is that the POS and card data is easily obtainable for contact tracing for electronic transactions and this has already been used a lot. This is one of the key reasons manual contact tracing was never required at supermarkets even during level 4.

Many Foodstuffs & Countdown sites had signs up last year telling you to use the manual contact register at the service desk if you were not using the Covid app or paying by card.

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#2641094 24-Jan-2021 17:21

tripp:

So am i reading this right

She travelled to Spain and the Netherlands late last year? Like when covid was already around overseas going mad and she thinks this is the best time to go and travel? The update said she had been away for 4 months before returning on 30th December. So that puts it right around the time of level 3 lockdown when she left.

*shakes head*

I know several people who traveled over to Europe in the 2nd half of last year. IMHO I don't think you should be judging people for doing that.

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#2641098 24-Jan-2021 17:32

sbiddle:

tripp:

So am i reading this right

She travelled to Spain and the Netherlands late last year? Like when covid was already around overseas going mad and she thinks this is the best time to go and travel? The update said she had been away for 4 months before returning on 30th December. So that puts it right around the time of level 3 lockdown when she left.

*shakes head*

I know several people who traveled over to Europe in the 2nd half of last year. IMHO I don't think you should be judging people for doing that.

I think we should be making it very clear to those that have gone overseas that they do so at their own risk etc and that if they return from overseas (especially from high risk countries) they are putting all of us at risk. If the person went overseas just for fun then IMHO us Kiwis should take a very dim view on someone going overseas to have fun while putting our team of 5 million at risk on their return.

The only exception would be those who have gone overseas for good reasons and have only traveled to/from the specific places they needed to go to. For instance I have a colleague who has gone overseas to look after an unwell parent since she is the only child able to do so--they are simply going straight to their parents place and basically isolating there the whole time she is overseas and then going directly back to NZ.

Given the person with the possible case has gone to at least two European countries I do wonder as to the reasons why they traveled. The length of time doesn't suggest a quick trip as well as would usually be the case for urgent travels.

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#2641099 24-Jan-2021 17:34

As Peter Reader would put it: Here we go....

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#2641101 24-Jan-2021 17:36

Sure. Overseas travel, although not restricted is still available in practice. But still completely not recommended and against current ongoing advise since Feb.

Bubbles or no bubbles. They seem to be in place to allow convenience for re-uniting or medical treatment vs ease of holiday/work.

Had it been someone skipping off to hong kong this week for instance. Or uae, who canceled all australian travel and nz transit as a result last week again..

https://safetravel.govt.nz/covid-19-coronavirus#Do%20Not%20Travel%20overseas%20at%20this%20time

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#2641154 24-Jan-2021 18:39

@KiwiSurfer If you left NZ now, next available MIQ spots are 2nd week of May, over 3 months away. No such thing as a quick trip. Nov & Dec spots last year filled quickly also so I wouldn’t speculate based on length of her trip.

If people need to see family or work etc I have no issue with people travelling. This traveller followed the process NZ has in place for returning to NZ. They’ve done nothing wrong. I do wish they’d presented for testing earlier though.

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#2641157 24-Jan-2021 18:47

Genomic Testing will hopefully tell us tomorrow the link to infection. Overseas or Local.
Thank goodness we are using this technology.

Likely the isolation hotel, its not a perfect system with potential for mixing in smoking and exercise.
Staff testing every 2 weeks is probably too big a gap, and they need to look at rumblings re staff being overworked.

Testing all the staff, and retesting all the people through the hotel seems to be underway, so good chance we can get a lid on it.
The Hotel did have a number of cases of the same variant, so we shall see.

Kinda surprised on smoking as its a big risk factor, nicotine patches are used in Aussie, though you wont be exercising there either.
The exercise thing is problematic as there are shared corridors, lifts etc, its not really possible to assure separation all the time.

This person has done the right thing in a big way, scanning in and going for a test.
Considering after so many tests in the Hotel it might be the last thing you would think.
So they get thumbs up from me.

I see the TV3 Newshub reporters have to deal with AntiVaxers etc in the background.

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#2641160 24-Jan-2021 18:54

duckDecoy:

Went to super today after the announcement. Almost nobody scanning, and I was the only one masked.

I'd like to see shops and public transport being a little more proactive around scanning. Even if just saying "if you could scan that would be great" at the till/driver would get a lot more people doing it i think.

Im not in favour of mandatory scanning and masks, given where we are at the moment. But, we have a person in Northland who visited 30 places. As did other Northlanders. Off course its silly to Level 4 or Level 3 Northland, but its the time for mandatory mask wearing and businesses have to have the app scanned or take details.

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#2641162 24-Jan-2021 18:58

alexx:

Most supermarkets would have queues in busy periods if everyone that entered took the time to scan.

A couple of times I've scanned and then noticed someone behind me ready to scan. It's if they saw me scan and it reminded them that they should scan too.

I hear that people have been rushing to the supermarket this afternoon. You think they would have learnt from last time that you can still shop there in all alert levels and almost nothing runs out.

Its inconvenient to scan but its NOT THAT inconvenient. Its inconvenient for a business to force scanning or "here is a pen" The team of 5 million includes businesses.

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#2641164 24-Jan-2021 18:59

sbiddle:

I know several people who traveled over to Europe in the 2nd half of last year. IMHO I don't think you should be judging people for doing that.

I agree. Obviously there are risk's in traveling against the advise of our government (safetravel website), but everybody who has done so has weighed up the risks, and decided that the travel is worth it for them.

We could have as a country banned or restricted outbound travel if we felt that was the best outcome for the country. Australia would be one example:

https://covid19.homeaffairs.gov.au/leaving-australia#toc-2

In this case the person clearly had strong family ties offshore, and it was mentioned they were working offshore also.

That said, I do think we need a priority system for our MIQ bookings:

NZ Citizens / Permanent with a compelling urgent reason to return to NZ. i.e. cannot remain lawfully in their current location. (incl partner and dependent child when traveling together)
NZ Citizens / Permanent residents who have not been overseas since prior to issue of covid-19 related travel warnings. (incl partner and dependent child when traveling together)
Australian citizens or permanent residents ordinarily resident in New Zealand(incl partner and dependent child when traveling together),
Diplomat who holds a post in NZ,
The partner or dependent child of a New Zealand citizen or permanent resident, and your visa is based on this relationship (where not travelling together, and where they have been outside NZ since the covid-19 travel warning cam into effect)
Critical health workers & "Other Critical workers" - criteria is already farily strict, but includes things like the wiggles band, people required so major roading projects can progress etc.
People not covered elsewhere but allowed to enter NZ (i.e. pacific islands travel where MIQ is required, Citizens / residents / Partners / Dependent children who have left NZ against travel warnings, Partners from Visa-Waiver countries etc.
Normally resident work visa holders as per current border entry critera.
PhD and postgrad students (in line with goverments comment that they will not be prioritized above New Zealanders.

We also need a system (i.e. lottery) to decide between people of the same rank who gets the booking. The current fastest finger system must be super frustrating and time consuming for people who want to return.

Finally we need to adjust the co-payment fee for MIQ to closer reflect the actual cost of providing that service. (my understanding is it is currently roughly 50% of the actual cost). Not really fair that the taxpayer picks up half the cost of MIQ for somebody who has just taken a 2 month holiday overseas.

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#2641166 24-Jan-2021 19:02

Oblivian: Tv3 interviewed dr Baker with normal gloom outlook afterwards.

Still saying hotels aren't impenetrable, but not able to suggest an alternative solution. Other than stop them leaving overseas locations

Thats the thing that aggravates me. if he wants impenetrable, then he should suggest shut the borders to everyone, but he won't. Otherwise he will get picked on by Kiwis who have a right to travel home anytime they want. Its unfair if he wants to nitpick and bypass reality and be dishonest. He went as far to say he wants less people arriving here. So he's happy that we risk people arriving here but who chooses what Kiwis can and what Kiwis can't? He needs to man up and say that he wants the borders locked to everyone.

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