2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2643071 27-Jan-2021 14:34

kingdragonfly:
Batman: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/covid-19-denier-kicked-out-after-trying-to-take-dying-elderly-covid-patient-from-hospital/MQXKSHNFBFOT7ZXAIBNBXYOCXE/

When I hear about COVID loonies, I always think of the US.

But there's a good number who buy into the conspiracy theories in the UK, including the classic "5G activates COVID"

Where there is Internet there will be these guys.

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#2643072 27-Jan-2021 14:37

mattwnz:

I saw some mention of Piers Morgan being suggested as their next PM. PM...get it. Mainly because of his ability to give straight answers, and ask straight questions of politicians involved in this covid mess over there. This is unlike many politicians who never answer the question they are asked, and many NZ politicians , especially ones in power rather than opposition, are just as bad at this.

When any Govt is in power, they are wrong, everyone else is right. Not a lot has changed. Seems a long time ago when after 2 weeks of lockdown we were told its too much and its too long. But you don't hear that these days do we? I thought Judith had retired, been very quiet. As like it or lump it, its going fine. We have Northland lady, and its every day news now from her/then. Be the same if power was reversed? Off course, its only point scoring, its all about the vote.

If Piers Brosnan was PM, and everything wasn't fixed promptly then he is the same as any other politician. Its a game that few win, but its mainly about votes

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#2643078 27-Jan-2021 14:46

tdgeek:
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/travel/2021/01/cook-islands-cancels-nz-flight-over-northland-covid-19-case-concerns.html

Cook Islands have cancelled a flight to Raro due to the Northland case, although the passengers will possibly travel Saturday, assuming all good Covid wise. Given that and Australia, taking the plunge on a wee trip nearby would be too much hassle and risk for many, so forget bubbles. Any burble of covid activity will mean delays, accommodation costs and annoyance.

Support NZ instead.

Some will choose to stay home, others will choose to travel, but at least there would be a choice. Even if a hotspot occurs somewhere, both NZ and Australia have demonstrated their capabilities of getting to zero.

Currently you can’t return to NZ for 4 months if you left. Both countries would squash an outbreak well before those 4 months were up. Depending on the restrictions where you’re traveling, they’d be relaxed anywhere from 3-14 days and in some places 28 days. That’s still preferable to ongoing border closures and waiting 4 months for MIQ and paying 3k for the privilege.

There isn’t going to be a guarantee that borders won’t close temporarily. That’s the reality of covid normal.

Be prepared to hunker down for at least a couple of weeks. No rescue flights required. For those needing to return urgently maybe emergency allocations to MIQ but you’re still going to need to do 2 weeks.

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#2643079 27-Jan-2021 14:47

mattwnz:

I saw some mention of Piers Morgan being suggested as their next PM. PM...get it. Mainly because of his ability to give straight answers, and ask straight questions of politicians involved in this covid mess over there. This is unlike many politicians who never answer the question they are asked, and many NZ politicians , especially ones in power rather than opposition, are just as bad at this.

every time i read these stories i think of Billy Connolly's quote

“The desire to be a politician should bar you for life from ever becoming one.”

Common sense is not as common as you think.

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#2643082 27-Jan-2021 14:57

chatterbox:

Some will choose to stay home, others will choose to travel, but at least there would be a choice. Even if a hotspot occurs somewhere, both NZ and Australia have demonstrated their capabilities of getting to zero.

Currently you can’t return to NZ for 4 months if you left. Both countries would squash an outbreak well before those 4 months were up. Depending on the restrictions where you’re traveling, they’d be relaxed anywhere from 3-14 days and in some places 28 days. That’s still preferable to ongoing border closures and waiting 4 months for MIQ and paying 3k for the privilege.

There isn’t going to be a guarantee that borders won’t close temporarily. That’s the reality of covid normal.

Be prepared to hunker down for at least a couple of weeks. No rescue flights required. For those needing to return urgently maybe emergency allocations to MIQ but you’re still going to need to do 2 weeks.

yes, if there was an outbreak of Melbourne or Auckland proportions. Or maybe Sydney or Brisbane?

What my point is, is that we had ONE person, that in a few short days all close contacts are negative. Yet Australia shut the door when people were literally boarding and Raro. It shows that none of these countries has considered a what if scenario. So any holiday will have this risk. Work commitments school commitments, etc

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#2643167 27-Jan-2021 17:45

Oops, may have dodged the first bullet but seems there are now two more out there.

Alas, home turf for me :(

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-two-more-positive-cases-linked-to-pullman-hotel-being-investigated-by-health-officials/YEMCD54DH43JOI7SMDJKY3R5EU/

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#2643168 27-Jan-2021 17:51

Never liked that hotel....!

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#2643169 27-Jan-2021 17:52

DS248:

Oops, may have dodged the first bullet but seems there are now two more out there.

Alas, home turf for me :(

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-two-more-positive-cases-linked-to-pullman-hotel-being-investigated-by-health-officials/YEMCD54DH43JOI7SMDJKY3R5EU/

From the article:

"The revelations follow claims from MP Hone Harawira this afternoon that there are two more Covid-19 cases in the community in Auckland's Orewa. Harawira told Newstalk ZB and says the information is from "multiple and impeccable sources"."

Ok, I will wait for an official confirmation.

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#2643173 27-Jan-2021 18:03

There was a story on prime/three about how people listened and there was no more queues in Northland test stations today.
With 10,,000 tests overnight
Watch that move to/change in Auckland in the next couple of hours now...

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#2643174 27-Jan-2021 18:04

Yes... But are they bloody scanning the QR codes?

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#2643184 27-Jan-2021 18:26

I don't have a phone and one thing I notice is that a lot of places with QR posters do not have anything for signing in. It used to be better. Some that do have can only be used by right-handers (I am left). People need to broaden their thinking.

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#2643187 27-Jan-2021 18:33

tdgeek:
chatterbox:

Some will choose to stay home, others will choose to travel, but at least there would be a choice. Even if a hotspot occurs somewhere, both NZ and Australia have demonstrated their capabilities of getting to zero.

Currently you can’t return to NZ for 4 months if you left. Both countries would squash an outbreak well before those 4 months were up. Depending on the restrictions where you’re traveling, they’d be relaxed anywhere from 3-14 days and in some places 28 days. That’s still preferable to ongoing border closures and waiting 4 months for MIQ and paying 3k for the privilege.

There isn’t going to be a guarantee that borders won’t close temporarily. That’s the reality of covid normal.

Be prepared to hunker down for at least a couple of weeks. No rescue flights required. For those needing to return urgently maybe emergency allocations to MIQ but you’re still going to need to do 2 weeks.

yes, if there was an outbreak of Melbourne or Auckland proportions. Or maybe Sydney or Brisbane?

What my point is, is that we had ONE person, that in a few short days all close contacts are negative. Yet Australia shut the door when people were literally boarding and Raro. It shows that none of these countries has considered a what if scenario. So any holiday will have this risk. Work commitments school commitments, etc

Brisbane had 1 border worker test positive, eventually transmitted to her partner. They locked down greater Brisbane for 3 days due to B.1.1.7 variant. I don’t think New South Wales closed to Brisbane but the rest did.

Australia hasn’t treated NZ any different from the Brisbane scenario, apart from the fact they could have made Auckland, Northland a hotspot instead of quarantining the whole country.

It is over the top even for these variants of concern. There aren’t any what if scenarios. They’ve already played out in Australia. Interstate borders have been opening and closing during 2020 but people still travel when they open.

Just noted the 2 new cases. I guess the whole of country approach was warranted given the people who left Pullman could have travelled anywhere in the country given the delay between the original case being infectious and presenting for testing.

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#2643193 27-Jan-2021 19:05

More details on the Orewa pair here - "weak"positives. “Further urgent testing is being carried out this evening.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300215883/covid19-urgent-testing-being-done-after-two-people-test-positive-after-leaving-miq

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#2643195 27-Jan-2021 19:14

chatterbox:

Brisbane had 1 border worker test positive, eventually transmitted to her partner. They locked down greater Brisbane for 3 days due to B.1.1.7 variant. I don’t think New South Wales closed to Brisbane but the rest did.

Australia hasn’t treated NZ any different from the Brisbane scenario, apart from the fact they could have made Auckland, Northland a hotspot instead of quarantining the whole country.

It is over the top even for these variants of concern. There aren’t any what if scenarios. They’ve already played out in Australia. Interstate borders have been opening and closing during 2020 but people still travel when they open.

Just noted the 2 new cases. I guess the whole of country approach was warranted given the people who left Pullman could have travelled anywhere in the country given the delay between the original case being infectious and presenting for testing.

Fair enough. It begs the question that these travel bubbles need to be toned down. The Govt needs to stop promising that end of March could happen. A "travel bubble" will be based on when they get suspended not if. Both countries are importing residents and thus cases (I support that) and the NIQ are not prisons, so issues will happen, and each one will cause bubble travellers holding boarding passes while the flight is cancelled, and impending 2 weeks extra quarantine. Borders will be like this all 2021, so bubbles will be on again off again all 2021 as well. Bubbles give optimism, I guess thats the only reason?

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#2643203 27-Jan-2021 19:58

Rikkitic:

I don't have a phone and one thing I notice is that a lot of places with QR posters do not have anything for signing in. It used to be better. Some that do have can only be used by right-handers (I am left). People need to broaden their thinking.

Anyone else notice on the TVNZ one news tonight, how the PM scanned into the building they were entering, but none or few of the other people she was with were shown to scan in. They just walked in with her. Not setting the best example IMO, considering they won't be in the same bubble.

Can you just write where you go in a little notebook for those places? As long as your trip is recorded? I use the ripple app and that is basically a recorder of places visited

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