2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2660376 21-Feb-2021 07:51

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Handle9: You can opt for whichever vaccine you like however availability is an issue.
There are some economic incentives here to be vaccinated. In government workplaces if you aren't vaccinated you need a weekly PCR at your own expense, if you are vaccinated this is paid for by the state. Many private employers are following suit. I'd say within a year you won't get a residency visa unless you are vaccinated.

Sinopharm is by far the most widely available and most popular. Pfizer is rare as hen's teeth and Astra-zenaca, which is what I have had, somewhat available. Anecdotally Sinopharm has by far the least side effects. Despite the efficacy of Astra-zenaca being somewhat less effective it is still excellent at mitigating the serious effects of COVID. Anecdotally the newer variants are much nastier and most people want to be vaccinated.

When you are driving into oncoming traffic you aren't too concerned about whether you wear a lap belt or a 5 point racing harness. You put on the seat belt you have available.

i'm not sure if that's a good thing: does it means it doesn't do anything. (no side effects = no immune response?)

The publicised efficacy from the stage 3 trials here was 86% and 79% in China. They haven't published any data so it's unclear how that lines up with the western vaccines. It's an inactivated virus vaccination so pretty old technology.

Anecdotally I don't know anyone who has been vaccinated with Sinopharm and has gotten covid. I know a lot of people who were not vaccinated and got covid so take that as you will.

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#2660382 21-Feb-2021 08:14

Hey if it works it works I'm sure we'll know in the fullness of time

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#2660384 21-Feb-2021 08:16

Florida and Texas: where they always manage to make everything a little worse

Video shows women who posed as seniors at Florida COVID-19 vaccination site

WKMG News 6 ClickOrlando

Body camera video released Friday shows deputies scolding two women who tried to pose as seniors so they could get the second dose of the COVID-19 vaccine at a Florida Convention Center site.

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#2660732 21-Feb-2021 19:48

Handle9: You can opt for whichever vaccine you like however availability is an issue.
There are some economic incentives here to be vaccinated. In government workplaces if you aren't vaccinated you need a weekly PCR at your own expense, if you are vaccinated this is paid for by the state. Many private employers are following suit. I'd say within a year you won't get a residency visa unless you are vaccinated.

Sinopharm is by far the most widely available and most popular. Pfizer is rare as hen's teeth and Astra-zenaca, which is what I have had, somewhat available. Anecdotally Sinopharm has by far the least side effects. Despite the efficacy of Astra-zenaca being somewhat less effective it is still excellent at mitigating the serious effects of COVID. Anecdotally the newer variants are much nastier and most people want to be vaccinated.

When you are driving into oncoming traffic you aren't too concerned about whether you wear a lap belt or a 5 point racing harness. You put on the seat belt you have available.

I like the wording in your last paragraph. And I can see that people would be desperate for what ever is available (especially with the need to pony up for a test weekly until they do).

NZ is in a bit of a different situation. Similar to driving the wrong way down a motorway with all the on ramp's blocked off. Can't keep doing this for ever, so in a year we are going to take the police away from the on ramps, and run the gauntlet. I would sure want to wait until I have the 5 point harness, and would be looking if I could swap the car out for a bulldozer too.

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The publicised efficacy from the stage 3 trials here was 86% and 79% in China. They haven't published any data so it's unclear how that lines up with the western vaccines. It's an inactivated virus vaccination so pretty old technology.

Anecdotally I don't know anyone who has been vaccinated with Sinopharm and has gotten covid. I know a lot of people who were not vaccinated and got covid so take that as you will.

[Edit: Below relates to sinovac not sinopharm]

If you want data not from china, you can look at the Brazil study.

50.4 % effective. (but 78% effective in against mild to severe cases that require treatment.)

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-55642648

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#2660734 21-Feb-2021 20:00

kingdragonfly: Florida and Texas: where they always manage to make everything a little worse

Video shows women who posed as seniors at Florida COVID-19 vaccination site

Amusing and disappointing though that video, having people this desperate to get the vaccine is a little refreshing after all the talk of vaccine hesitancy.

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#2660738 21-Feb-2021 20:09

Scott3:

If you want data not from china, you can look at the Brazil study.

50.4 % effective. (but 78% effective in against mild to severe cases that require treatment.)

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-55642648

That's Sinovac not Sinopharm. It's a different vaccine.

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#2660742 21-Feb-2021 20:16

Handle9:

That's Sinovac not Sinopharm. It's a different vaccine.

I was confused by the similar names.

Just looked up Sinopharm. Sounds like it did quite well in UAE trials:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/14/chinas-sinopharm-vaccine-how-effective-is-it-and-where-will-it-be-rolled-out

Spouse we will get some more real world data in the coming months.

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#2660744 21-Feb-2021 20:27

Scott3:

Handle9:

That's Sinovac not Sinopharm. It's a different vaccine.

I was confused by the similar names.

Just looked up Sinopharm. Sounds like it did quite well in UAE trials:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/14/chinas-sinopharm-vaccine-how-effective-is-it-and-where-will-it-be-rolled-out

Spouse we will get some more real world data in the coming months.

It seems to be effective. My concern with it was around it not being widely recognised in the west and limitations on travel. Once it's possible to travel again I'd like to be able to visit NZ and see friends and family. Given the widespread use of AstraZeneca in the UK and many western countries it'll likely be recognised by NZ as a valid vaccine.

I work from home so I'm relatively low risk but waiting for Pfizer wasn't an option for my wife, since New Year she's been a close contact once at school and my kids have been a couple of times. Sooner or later she'll be exposed.

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#2660751 21-Feb-2021 20:43

Don't worry there will be independent data in due time, if data looks good, will be accepted.

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#2660769 21-Feb-2021 21:52

Batman: Don't worry there will be independent data in due time, if data looks good, will be accepted.

I'm not worried. I took a different vaccine.

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#2660917 22-Feb-2021 08:29

Pfizer realises that their vaccine can be stored in normal medical freezers wth

https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/global-event-news/pfizer-says-covid-19-vaccine-can-be-stored-in-normal-freezers.html

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#2660920 22-Feb-2021 08:49

"Second generation" vaccines being planned

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/feb/21/scientists-say-clinical-trials-for-variant-proof-vaccines-could-start-very-soon

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#2660939 22-Feb-2021 09:44

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It's only been in the last week or so that Hipkins and others have started saying that everybody who wants to be vaccinated will be by the end of the year - but in the same breath still referring to it being a 12 month program.

Presumably that means that in Jan-Mar 2022 vaccinations will be done on people who DON'T want it. 🤣

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#2660960 22-Feb-2021 10:16

I received the following from the Lymphoedema support nurse, worth sharing for anyone planning a vaccination who has Lymphoedema In arms or legs.

Please find below updated and extended advice and information regarding the Coronavirus Vaccination - Lymphoedema or Breast Cancer.

Please advise anyone who has lymphoedema that lymph node swelling can be a side effect of any vaccine but is a known side effect of both the Moderna and Pfizer COVID-19 vaccines. However, we strongly urge that they accept whichever vaccine is offered, providing they have no contraindications.

Anyone with lymphoedema of the arm is advised to get the vaccine in the opposite arm or thigh.

Please see the Consensus Document on Covid-19 Vaccination for Patients with Lymphoedema for more detailed information.

This advice also applies to those who do not have lymphoedema but who are at risk of developing the condition for example those who have had treatment involving their lymph nodes for breast cancer or melanoma. They should request the vaccine in the opposite arm from their treatment. If they have had lymph nodes removed or treated on both sides, the injection should be requested in the thigh.

Some vaccinators may have been trained or directed to administer the vaccine in the arm only. Please discuss any concerns with the vaccinating team.

Thank you,
BLS Administrator.