2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2436329 11-Mar-2020 13:42

FineWine:
For all those that are having the GP > MoH > GP run around.

Doctor takes to the car park to test for coronavirus

Actually South Korea did it first.

And yes we should do it here.

As far as being first, I'd say Australian PM Scott Morrison was the first to politician to raise the alert level to "brown", though he may be proved correct in the long term.

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#2436331 11-Mar-2020 13:44

Markets Plunge as Trump Lies About Coronavirus Response

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#2436332 11-Mar-2020 13:50

I am loving how the American response to an emergency is to:

- Provide funding to test people who can't get tested for insurance reasons.

- Provide funding so people who have to be home sick from work can be at home and not worry about not being paid.

Perhaps the problem isn't the virus...

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#2436335 11-Mar-2020 13:54

Fantastic article with great data:

“Coronavirus: Why You Must Act Now. Politicians and Business Leaders: What Should You Do and When?”

https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca

It references an article on Taiwan’s proactive responses (starting screening 31st Dec): https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2762689

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#2436336 11-Mar-2020 13:54

tdgeek:

IIRC wet market for wild animals was banned after SARS. Who caused Spanish Flu, MERS, and any of the many that did not originate from China?

Active viruses are everywhere. There are 10 billion bats on Earth, but you can catch it from certain cats and camels as well.

Its a global issue.

Did you watch the link? Your comment about cats etc is exactly why these diseases are deadly. The hypothesis of Covid-19 is Bat->Pangolin->Human. We are talking about having animals that are in close proximity to humans in dense cages leading to disease which is what leads to the virus jumping from animals into humans. The markets (not just in China) are breeding ground for this type of virus reoccurring.

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#2436337 11-Mar-2020 14:02

FineWine:

For all those that are having the GP > MoH > GP run around.

Doctor takes to the car park to test for coronavirus

All the Doctor has to do is throw on some PPE & grab a swab test kit, (2-3 min's) then walk out to the car park, up the nose with the swab, give some advice, strip off & dispose of PPE outside of practice, walk back in, package and document swab. Total time 10-15. Which is the standard NZ GP allocated time for a visit. Charge the standard charge if required.

Come on Kiwi's we can think outside the box better than the Aussie's can.

And how many PPE do you think GPs have ?

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#2436338 11-Mar-2020 14:03

tdgeek:

dogstar001:

Yes, it also makes you wonder how long governments can keep young, healthy people locked up in there homes, which is what has happened in Italy.

Everyone both the young & old has been placed into isolation. I can see it working for a 2-4 weeks before frustration kicks in & the quarantine collapses.

What do you suggest?

I don't know?

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#2436340 11-Mar-2020 14:11

dogstar001:

tdgeek:

What do you suggest?

I don't know?

The other option from isolation, is just carrying on life as normal, and letting it run its course. Not really an option, as virulent as it is, it would probably cover the world. If easier measures were taken, then forget travel and forget global product transport.

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#2436341 11-Mar-2020 14:11

robocat:

Fantastic article with great data:

“Coronavirus: Why You Must Act Now. Politicians and Business Leaders: What Should You Do and When?”

https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca

It references an article on Taiwan’s proactive responses (starting screening 31st Dec): https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2762689

From the above:

You might have fears today: What if I overreact? Will people laugh at me? Will they be angry at me? Will I look stupid? Won’t it be better to wait for others to take steps first? Will I hurt the economy too much?

But in 2–4 weeks, when the entire world is in lockdown, when the few precious days of social distancing you will have enabled will have saved lives, people won’t criticize you anymore: They will thank you for making the right decision.

Good one, and sure is appropriate in any thread designed to scare the life out of each other (which this one seems to be designed to do)!

So now the entire world is going to be in lockdown in 2-4 weeks! This is great stuff for journalists who live from "clickbait"!

I thought the virus is more likely to be at its worst in countries with cold temperatures? Our flu season hasn't arrived yet, so I'll be prepared to bet that NZ is not in lockdown in 2-4 weeks time. I hope I'm right, but occasionally I'm wrong, but this is usually only when I thought I was wrong and in fact I wasn't.

And if you really want to scare the living daylights out of all your mates, just read them this quote from the above article:

When you’re done reading the article, this is what you’ll take away:

The coronavirus is coming to you.
It’s coming at an exponential speed: gradually, and then suddenly.
It’s a matter of days. Maybe a week or two.
When it does, your healthcare system will be overwhelmed.
Your fellow citizens will be treated in the hallways.
Exhausted healthcare workers will break down. Some will die.
They will have to decide which patient gets the oxygen and which one dies.
The only way to prevent this is social distancing today. Not tomorrow. Today.
That means keeping as many people home as possible, starting now.

So, as from now, the whole of NZ should "self isolate"!! Now I wonder what would happen if we all followed this advice?

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#2436342 11-Mar-2020 14:12

itxtme:

tdgeek:

IIRC wet market for wild animals was banned after SARS. Who caused Spanish Flu, MERS, and any of the many that did not originate from China?

Active viruses are everywhere. There are 10 billion bats on Earth, but you can catch it from certain cats and camels as well.

Its a global issue.

Did you watch the link? Your comment about cats etc is exactly why these diseases are deadly. The hypothesis of Covid-19 is Bat->Pangolin->Human. We are talking about having animals that are in close proximity to humans in dense cages leading to disease which is what leads to the virus jumping from animals into humans. The markets (not just in China) are breeding ground for this type of virus reoccurring.

I will do tonight. Watched a Netflix doco on pandemics, probably the same things.

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#2436344 11-Mar-2020 14:14

dogstar001:

Yes, it also makes you wonder how long governments can keep young, healthy people locked up in their homes, which is what has happened in Italy.

Everyone both the young & old has been placed into isolation. I can see it working for a 2-4 weeks before frustration kicks in & the quarantine collapses.

That is exactly the point the UK health minister has made. If you pull the trigger too soon, people become blase about the whole thing.

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#2436346 11-Mar-2020 14:19

frednz:

Good one, and sure is appropriate in any thread designed to scare the life out of each other (which this one seems to be designed to do)!

Again, this thread is just about reporting on this virus. Its scary, but its real. Italy was blissfully free of it till very recently. Now it has over 1/10 of Chinas total cases, just like that, yet it is just 3.5% China's population size. In quick time. Thats scary

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#2436349 11-Mar-2020 14:24

Today was one of those deep thought while driving to work days.

And I considered. I think there's now been too many media stories about it. We accuse them of scare mongering, and now it really is.

Normally when the pooh hits the fan (aussie fires, amazon fires etc) We get the normal media race to update and be the first. But then thinks calm down. And only significant updates are given. Life goes on, people have an interest and seek the information but don't share what they read among peers or use it as a watertank discussion on such a scale

Then there's accidents on the commute. You might check for delays, see there was an accident. Not think much of it but warn others you know will be impacted and make a plan to avoid it.

Say that accident notification was a headline. Saying it was a bus full of school kids, rolled over, on fire. And so are the 4 houses it landed beside. I think the human mindset might shift from 'how to avoid' to, 'how terrible. I hope noone I know is involved, I hope it's not my family. I need to share this terrible news.'

I can't but help think that is what is going on here. Charging the hysteria by means of stats up front. What if. Just What, if the media weren't so focused on the statistical media headlines. But rather the impact those figures are causing instead. Then lead into other stuff

No, not '120ppl extra didn't die in Italy'. Sure, add it in the global stats updates or within the story click-here info. But this is the world of social media. People read the headline/slug only and base an opinion and rational or irrational decision without the deeper fatcs or reasoning. Note how empty the streets are, talk about the likely global impact. Travel restriction changes that may be effected by it. We don't hear much about central hub singapore and it's new travel requirements. Or the cruise ship cancellations or detours due the pacific islands chiefs shutting their doors until everyone has been through a medical check

Am I alone thinking it's all a bit excessive now and likely a driving force behind TP-mageddon2020? There's about 7 separate corona virus stories on NZH alone. Make it an updates feed. Let those who want to seek the info, do. Don't jam it down ones throat or past the eyes of someone that is currently already freaking out despite the real data we share here and sharing it among others.

I hear people talking about how many face masks they managed to get. And going 'I bet I come down with it..' and so on. Forget the fact there's been 5 cases, and it has to be near you/on some one to be a source. Talking like it will just magically infect them due to the shear spread rates the headlines are showing.

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#2436352 11-Mar-2020 14:32

tdgeek:

frednz:

Good one, and sure is appropriate in any thread designed to scare the life out of each other (which this one seems to be designed to do)!

Again, this thread is just about reporting on this virus. Its scary, but its real. Italy was blissfully free of it till very recently. Now it has over 1/10 of Chinas total cases, just like that, yet it is just 3.5% China's population size. In quick time. Thats scary

It would be better if this thread dealt more with facts rather than providing overly morbid predictions, such as this one which came from the quoted article:

When you’re done reading the article, this is what you’ll take away:

So, we only have a week or two before NZ is overwhelmed by the virus! Now if this doesn't trigger panic buying and associated behaviours, I don't know what will! Come on, settle down, relax and get real, there's only one country in the world in lockdown.

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#2436353 11-Mar-2020 14:35

I hate to be jaded, but I'd be more concerned about Americans stockpiling ammunition than toilet paper.

Even before the virus, Americans were heavily armed.

It says a lot about America, and how they react in a crisis.

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