2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2670320 8-Mar-2021 23:42

wellygary:

Now Pfizer for Everyone... signed up for an additional 8.5 million doses ( 4.25 million courses)

https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/govt-purchases-enough-pfizer-vaccines-whole-country

This is great news.

One of the highest efficacy vaccines (cira 95%), backed up by a large amount of real world date (Especially it's performance in Israel).

Frankly while I think it was great that the government hedged out bets when it came to vaccine orders, the other three brands on the list aren't as attractive as Pfizer. Especially give Pfizer is actually delivering and ahead of the "From Q2 2021" that was expected.

I acknowledge that other lower efficacy vaccines are great at stopping people who catch covid-19 from getting hospitalized or dying. But a 60% efficacy vaccine means decent numbers of people still can get sick and pass the virus on. Getting herd immunity is what we really want as a county, and if the kids vaccines are slow to be approved, we will need every bit of effectiveness we can get.

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At the rate of 3000 a week (on average so far) it will take 32 years to vax 5 million people.

You need to double your calculation as it is a two dose vaccine.

Regardless, the last three shipments (roughly weekly) were all for 60,000+ doses. We better ramp fairly quickly to that number weekly.

Also, with the size of our order increasing by roughly 7 times, I would expect the number of dose's delivered to ramp up quickly too. (or course delivery schedule is not yet public info).

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#2670321 8-Mar-2021 23:59

Scott3:

Regardless, the last three shipments (roughly weekly) were all for 60,000+ doses. We better ramp fairly quickly to that number weekly.

Also, with the size of our order increasing by roughly 7 times, I would expect the number of dose's delivered to ramp up quickly too. (or course delivery schedule is not yet public info).

Late news seemed to indicate there will be some announcements possibly tomorrow of a firmer deployment plan/schedule (ala whos next in line)

Although, every tom and harry that would normally travel overseas with a fern on their chest or some form of stature appears to be trying to edge in sideways on the governments good side and upsetting a few. Despite for instance cricket world, a heap of them likely to see a few tour matches before going to private clubs in the IPL for meeeelions of dollars.

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#2670322 9-Mar-2021 00:15

Oblivian:

Late news seemed to indicate there will be some announcements possibly tomorrow of a firmer deployment plan/schedule (ala whos next in line)

Although, every tom and harry that would normally travel overseas with a fern on their chest or some form of stature appears to be trying to edge in sideways on the governments good side and upsetting a few. Despite for instance cricket world, a heap of them likely to see a few tour matches before going to private clubs in the EPL for meeeelions of dollars.

It makes a heap of sense for New Zealanders who are going to go overseas to be a high priority to be vaccinated. They are entitled to come back and our MIQ facilities while good, aren't perfect. Minimizing the number of cases turning up in MIQ improves to odds regarding having cases leaked into the community.

Everybody in NZ is protected by our border defenses. Frankly little hurry to get vaccinated, even for the likes of the elderly if you are in NZ.

Will be interesting to see how the government handles this. While logical to allow priority access to vaccines for international travelers they risk this being seen as ignoring venerable population, and encouraging overseas travel in the midst of a pandemic.

On the other hand, it would be appealing if one of our Olympic team got sick and died, because our government decided that cool-store worker's, or South Auckland was a higher priority (despite the risk at the olympic games being many times higher).

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#2670332 9-Mar-2021 06:40

Oblivian:
Scott3:

Regardless, the last three shipments (roughly weekly) were all for 60,000+ doses. We better ramp fairly quickly to that number weekly.

Also, with the size of our order increasing by roughly 7 times, I would expect the number of dose's delivered to ramp up quickly too. (or course delivery schedule is not yet public info).

Late news seemed to indicate there will be some announcements possibly tomorrow of a firmer deployment plan/schedule (ala whos next in line)

Although, every tom and harry that would normally travel overseas with a fern on their chest or some form of stature appears to be trying to edge in sideways on the governments good side and upsetting a few. Despite for instance cricket world, a heap of them likely to see a few tour matches before going to private clubs in the IPL for meeeelions of dollars.

Govt is promising more details on the who and when on Wednesday.

To be honest with no significant community COVIDin NZ whether athletes travelling overseas get it “early” doesn’t really bother me that much ...

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#2670336 9-Mar-2021 07:29

Scott3:

It makes a heap of sense for New Zealanders who are going to go overseas to be a high priority to be vaccinated. They are entitled to come back and our MIQ facilities while good, aren't perfect. Minimizing the number of cases turning up in MIQ improves to odds regarding having cases leaked into the community.

Everybody in NZ is protected by our border defenses. Frankly little hurry to get vaccinated, even for the likes of the elderly if you are in NZ.

Will be interesting to see how the government handles this. While logical to allow priority access to vaccines for international travelers they risk this being seen as ignoring venerable population, and encouraging overseas travel in the midst of a pandemic.

On the other hand, it would be appealing if one of our Olympic team got sick and died, because our government decided that cool-store worker's, or South Auckland was a higher priority (despite the risk at the olympic games being many times higher).

I can't agree more.

Considering the slow speed of our rollout (and based on yesterday's announcement that "the timeline is unchanged") it seems as though it's still going to still mean at least the end of the year before everybody is offered a vaccine, and into 2022 before the rollout is complete.

In light of this, preventing the virus from coming into the country has to be the priority, and the way to do that is to ensure those leaving NZ and coming back are prioritised for the vaccine.

With MIQ turning into a slow motion trainwreck I also think those who will have to leave NZ for work should also be prioritised. I've mentioned before I know several people who are in the situation now where being based out of NZ isn't going to be feasible within a few months, so they've got no option but to find somewhere else to be based. Such people who are still going to be paying tax and contributing to the NZ economy IMHO deserve to be vaccinated before they have to leave NZ - it's hardly their fault that MIQ space has left them in this predicament.

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#2670337 9-Mar-2021 07:37

Scott3:
On the other hand, it would be appealing if one of our Olympic team got sick and died, because our government decided that cool-store worker's, or South Auckland was a higher priority (despite the risk at the olympic games being many times higher).

So not an Olympics fan then?

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#2670372 9-Mar-2021 09:10

Scott3:
Oblivian:

Late news seemed to indicate there will be some announcements possibly tomorrow of a firmer deployment plan/schedule (ala whos next in line)

Although, every tom and harry that would normally travel overseas with a fern on their chest or some form of stature appears to be trying to edge in sideways on the governments good side and upsetting a few. Despite for instance cricket world, a heap of them likely to see a few tour matches before going to private clubs in the EPL for meeeelions of dollars.

It makes a heap of sense for New Zealanders who are going to go overseas to be a high priority to be vaccinated. They are entitled to come back and our MIQ facilities while good, aren't perfect. Minimizing the number of cases turning up in MIQ improves to odds regarding having cases leaked into the community.

Everybody in NZ is protected by our border defenses. Frankly little hurry to get vaccinated, even for the likes of the elderly if you are in NZ.

Will be interesting to see how the government handles this. While logical to allow priority access to vaccines for international travelers they risk this being seen as ignoring venerable population, and encouraging overseas travel in the midst of a pandemic.

On the other hand, it would be appealing if one of our Olympic team got sick and died, because our government decided that cool-store worker's, or South Auckland was a higher priority (despite the risk at the olympic games being many times higher).

Little hurry to get vaccinated? You obviously don’t work in tourism.

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#2670376 9-Mar-2021 09:22

Scott3:
On the other hand, it would be appealing if one of our Olympic team got sick and died, because our government decided that cool-store worker's, or South Auckland was a higher priority (despite the risk at the olympic games being many times higher).

While I don't necessarily see the appeal of one of our Olympic team dying, they aren't critical to running the country. A cool store worker or other such person who's job has a tangible output to help the country should be higher up the list than someone who just wants to go on a junket trip.

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#2670379 9-Mar-2021 09:26

stories of people in MIQ

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-doctor-describes-working-in-managed-isolation-and-quarantine-facilities/WOPVMZKQWQ7IE42JUREOQFORXU/

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#2670386 9-Mar-2021 09:43

The way I look at it, why should I, as someone with limited (virtually no) risk of being exposed on a regular basis to the virus have priority over anyone else, simple, I shouldn't. If there are groups that are more at risk of being exposed, that is where the vaccine has to go -

Border Workers (already underway - including all quarantine / MIQ hotel workers etc)

All Frontline medical Staff (incl GPs, Drs, Nurses, Testers etc)

If after they have been treated / protected, then the next group should certainly be those that are voluntarily exposing themselves to risk through representative duties offshore (olympics etc), but, these should only be treated if the first two groups are fully protected first. I have little sympathy if our olympians can't get to the games or our cricketers can't get to England because we prioritised staff whose daily lives are put at risk because its their job.

The cynical side of me says that South Auckland will get prioritised after these groups. Their culture is such that they expose themselves more regularly than many others, and, lets face it, its Labours biggest base of voters.

If the border is properly protected and our medical staff are properly protected, I really don't care if it takes 6 or 12 months before the country is protected as a whole (based on current levels of community outbreaks which is all but non existent). Whilst I respect that this is a nasty bug, it has to be put into perspective without the hysterical narative that the media continues to push.

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#2670405 9-Mar-2021 10:20

This is equally relevant outside the USA:

RealClear Politics - the US “Changing the COVID Conversation” poll

December 18, 2020

The poll revealed several tips for anyone communicating about the pandemic:

Don’t make your message just about the consequences of failure. It must also be the benefits of success.

Personalize, humanize, and individualize the pandemic and its consequences.

Don’t let politics or partisanship slip into your messaging.

Emphasize that the science is settled. Wearing masks, social distancing, and hand washing slow the spread of the virus.

EDIT:

Radio NZ - Covid-19 vaccine: 'We need to emphasise how beneficial it's going to be'

today

Immunisation Advisory Centre medical advisor Professor Peter McIntyre said there was a concern people might not feel they need to bother.

"One of the downsides of New Zealand being in a situation where there is no coronavirus is that people aren't seeing that kind of imminent threat in the same way you'd be seeing it if you were in England or if you were in the US," he told Morning Report.

"But really the message is how lucky are we, getting a fantastic vaccine, getting it for free, and being able to all have it by the end of the year." ...

He said young adults were typically hard to motivate to get a vaccine - but having immunisation as a requirement for travel could be a "big incentive".

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#2670406 9-Mar-2021 10:21

Of course the other added 'unknown'. Is will it actually make a difference if people leaving, for work, sport. Or otherwise?. Having it automatically means they don't need to do MIQ?. That's not been outlined that I can see. And it doesn't make a free automatic travel bubble either?. The focus appears to be on protecting those who are going overseas going to nations or areas where there is a danger to them. Not because they might come back and be safer to us.

If you still need to, who's it protecting when they are off-shore going to countries lagging behind - the IPL players for instance basically have their ties with NZ severed for all of winter. It annoys any domestic or travel losing the talent. Often then unavailable for National representation. Much like the rugby guys heading off to France or Japan. Is that still classified as representing NZ?

There is a very difficult balancing act. And I think hinting at a schedule being made. But at the same time taking a while to do so is one of those cases spoken about earlier. Perhaps it needed to be done behind closed doors and fallout dealt with afterward once presented magically. Damned if you do, damned if you don't

Cause now, you have cases like this.. https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/124470241/transport-industry-lobbies-for-vaccinations-to-protect-drivers

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#2670410 9-Mar-2021 10:32

Wonder what this means for the freezers we made a song and dance about arriving - I'm assuming that was for the multi-vaccine strategy we were first pursuing and now we appear to be more reliant on the Pfizer one to do the heavy lifting.

Q2 is just three and a bit weeks away.

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#2670421 9-Mar-2021 11:20

Ge0rge:
Scott3:

On the other hand, it would be appealing if one of our Olympic team got sick and died, because our government decided that cool-store worker's, or South Auckland was a higher priority (despite the risk at the olympic games being many times higher).

While I don't necessarily see the appeal of one of our Olympic team dying, they aren't critical to running the country. A cool store worker or other such person who's job has a tangible output to help the country should be higher up the list than someone who just wants to go on a junket trip.

or you could look at it like anyone can do the cool store job but there would be only 1 who could be an Olympian in his/her sport and i would also say that winning a medal makes the whole country feel proud and puts a smile on faces of most people which may be what the country needs this year

Common sense is not as common as you think.

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#2670427 9-Mar-2021 11:41

GV27:

Wonder what this means for the freezers we made a song and dance about arriving - I'm assuming that was for the multi-vaccine strategy we were first pursuing and now we appear to be more reliant on the Pfizer one to do the heavy lifting.

Q2 is just three and a bit weeks away.

The special freezers were only for the Pfizer vaccine, we apparently have space in them to hold 1.5 million doses (750K courses)

We might need a few more.. or if they can schedule the deliveries and scale up vaccinations to match it could be fine just holding 1 million or so doses as a buffer for any disruptions...

All the others in the strategy ( AZ, J+J, Novavax) all have storage at 2-8C, which can use the existing vaccine cold chain (that exists all the way to each GP/pharmacy) which we use for other vaccinations (flu etc)

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