2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2670757 9-Mar-2021 21:39

A logical thing to do is vaccinate people on day one off their MIQ period (assuming the agree and haven't already been vaccinated).
Then vaccinate again the second dose as they leave.
Probably a few logistical hurdles here but seems a good idea to me.

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#2670758 9-Mar-2021 21:41

KrazyKid: A logical thing to do is vaccinate people on day one off their MIQ period (assuming the agree and haven't already been vaccinated).
Then vaccinate again the second dose as they leave.
Probably a few logistical hurdles here but seems a good idea to me.

Pfizer is a 21 day gap between doses.

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#2670759 9-Mar-2021 21:41

KrazyKid: A logical thing to do is vaccinate people on day one off their MIQ period (assuming the agree and haven't already been vaccinated).
Then vaccinate again the second dose as they leave.
Probably a few logistical hurdles here but seems a good idea to me.

21 - 28 days between jabs. Don't know that people would be keen for a month long stay...

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#2670760 9-Mar-2021 21:44

Oh well. There goes a good idea 😎

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#2670767 9-Mar-2021 22:28

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Geektastic: Little hurry to get vaccinated? You obviously don’t work in tourism.

Not just tourism and sports people. The music industry needs to start touring again. For most musicians there's no money in sales and streaming, you only make a profit (or keep out of debt) from touring. Not just the musicians themselves, but anyone that's part of the touring support crew. But your options are going to be limited without a vaccine, which means you need one before the big northern hemisphere summer festival season starts.

But things are going to get awkward if you have a bunch of sports, entertainment and business people jumping the queue and you have another outbreak in vulnerable and at-risk communities that haven't been vaccinated yet. I can imagine the Herald headlines already.

We are all at risk, are we not?

Anyone older than about 40 starts to be at increasing risk. Anyone with additional medical conditions of certain types is at increased risk regardless of age. etc.

There is a slight lean towards suggesting that "communities at increased risk" are defined by race not medical need, which I find a bit odd. There a plenty of people at increased risk from all sorts of "communities".

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#2670768 9-Mar-2021 22:29

Handle9:
Scott3:

On the other hand, it would be appealing if one of our Olympic team got sick and died, because our government decided that cool-store worker's, or South Auckland was a higher priority (despite the risk at the olympic games being many times higher).

So not an Olympics fan then?

Whoops. In line with the vibe of the rest of my comment the word I was looking for was appalling.

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#2670771 9-Mar-2021 22:31

tdgeek:

alexx:

But things are going to get awkward if you have a bunch of sports, entertainment and business people jumping the queue and you have another outbreak in vulnerable and at-risk communities that haven't been vaccinated yet. I can imagine the Herald headlines already.

True, but what if a bunch of Kiwis got vaccinated and went on holiday as allowed by the incoming country and also allowed back here with no MIQ as they got vaccinated? Same deal IMHO. Business people also same deal.

Yes, I can also see the headlines. Maybe we close the borders for another 2 years to be certain??? Off course not, but its a blame game. Blame if a vaccinated arrival brought Covid in, blame if the travel isnt open pronto.

I suspect that the borders will be closed for at least another year. If I was a betting man, I would say they'll open fully in October 2022 in time for the summer tourist season.

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#2670772 9-Mar-2021 22:34

Scott3:

Whoops. In line with the vibe of the rest of my comment the word I was looking for was appalling.

Yeah that was pretty clear. It made me laugh though.

I'm easily amused, I know.

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#2670774 9-Mar-2021 22:39

Geektastic:

Little hurry to get vaccinated? You obviously don’t work in tourism.

I don't. But for those that do, The date of importance is the date that we get enough people vaccinated to allow our borders to be re-opened.

Prioritising people who are going to travel internationally, above say cool store workers or South Auckland won't have a impact on this date.

Ge0rge:

While I don't necessarily see the appeal of one of our Olympic team dying, they aren't critical to running the country. A cool store worker or other such person who's job has a tangible output to help the country should be higher up the list than someone who just wants to go on a junket trip.

Objectively they are at much lower risk of both contracting covid-19, and bringing covid-19 into the country relative to say Olympic athletes traveling overseas.

I think ethically if we are going to send a team to the 2020 games, they should be vaccinated.

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#2670776 9-Mar-2021 22:59

Oblivian:

Of course the other added 'unknown'. Is will it actually make a difference if people leaving, for work, sport. Or otherwise?. Having it automatically means they don't need to do MIQ?. That's not been outlined that I can see. And it doesn't make a free automatic travel bubble either?. The focus appears to be on protecting those who are going overseas going to nations or areas where there is a danger to them. Not because they might come back and be safer to us.

If you still need to, who's it protecting when they are off-shore going to countries lagging behind - the IPL players for instance basically have their ties with NZ severed for all of winter. It annoys any domestic or travel losing the talent. Often then unavailable for National representation. Much like the rugby guys heading off to France or Japan. Is that still classified as representing NZ?

There is a very difficult balancing act. And I think hinting at a schedule being made. But at the same time taking a while to do so is one of those cases spoken about earlier. Perhaps it needed to be done behind closed doors and fallout dealt with afterward once presented magically. Damned if you do, damned if you don't

Cause now, you have cases like this.. https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/124470241/transport-industry-lobbies-for-vaccinations-to-protect-drivers

You are correct that vaccinated arrivals still need to go through MIQ. This is unlikely to change until a decent (60-70%) chunk of our population has been vaccinated. No vaccine has been proven sufficiently effective to remove the need for MIQ.

But our MIQ facilities are proven to have leaks. By having the likes of returning athletes / workers etc already vaccinated, the odds of the returning covid-19 positive decreases by I guess 70 - 95%. This will decrease our daily average case numbers in MIQ, and decrease the odds of a leak.

But yes, protecting New Zealander's who have decided to travel to an at risk location for work / sport / to visit a dying relative etc is also important. Aside from being good ethically if these people's respiratory system is messed up long term by covid-19 this is likely to end up costing the NZ healthcare system.

Agree regarding the balancing act. A call needs to be made, but any call is not going to be popular. Ideally it would have been made well before vaccines were actually available locally so the immediate heat and emotion would have been removed from the discussion.

tdgeek:

True, but what if a bunch of Kiwis got vaccinated and went on holiday as allowed by the incoming country and also allowed back here with no MIQ as they got vaccinated? Same deal IMHO. Business people also same deal.

Yes, I can also see the headlines. Maybe we close the borders for another 2 years to be certain??? Off course not, but its a blame game. Blame if a vaccinated arrival brought Covid in, blame if the travel isnt open pronto.

No immediate prospect to skip MIQ on arrival if vaccinated. No vaccine has been proven effective enough at stopping transmission for this to be feasible until a decent chunk of the domestic population is vaccinated.

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#2670778 9-Mar-2021 23:16

Following on from the whole discussion on international traveler's, including sportspeople, musicians etc.

Consider that there are a decent chunk of society who doesn't follow Regular News, and don't care for politician's or public health officials for what ever reason. Some of these people are avid followers of their chosen sports, music etc.

Having these people fairly high up in the queue could potentially significantly reduce vaccine hesitancy. All the cricket team, Olympians etc getting vaccinated would be newsworthy. I think having Kane Williamson, Eliza McCartney etc vaccinated this month will increase public confidence in the vaccine.

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#2670796 10-Mar-2021 06:11

Scott3:

No immediate prospect to skip MIQ on arrival if vaccinated. No vaccine has been proven effective enough at stopping transmission for this to be feasible until a decent chunk of the domestic population is vaccinated.

At some point, when we achieve herd immunity... Can't wait for that day

Also good luck figuring out which arrival actually had vaccine vs fake vaccine cert (a blogger has already travelled half the world with a fake vaccine cert) but that's for another day

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#2670848 10-Mar-2021 07:14

Oblivian:

Scott3:

Regardless, the last three shipments (roughly weekly) were all for 60,000+ doses. We better ramp fairly quickly to that number weekly.

Also, with the size of our order increasing by roughly 7 times, I would expect the number of dose's delivered to ramp up quickly too. (or course delivery schedule is not yet public info).

Late news seemed to indicate there will be some announcements possibly tomorrow of a firmer deployment plan/schedule (ala whos next in line)

Although, every tom and harry that would normally travel overseas with a fern on their chest or some form of stature appears to be trying to edge in sideways on the governments good side and upsetting a few. Despite for instance cricket world, a heap of them likely to see a few tour matches before going to private clubs in the IPL for meeeelions of dollars.

I see zero problem with our sports people being vaccinated. IMHO anybody leaving NZ who is coming back should be entitled to be vaccinated.

Our borders are our weakest link, and with out slow vaccine rollout for as long as we have MIQ processes in place we need to be doing absolutely everything we can to minimise the number of people actually entering the country and the MIQ system with Covid. One simple way of doing that is to ensure that everybody leaving who is then coming back - regardless if they're an athlete or simply somebody on business, is fully vaccinated before leaving.

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#2670850 10-Mar-2021 07:24

Geektastic:

I suspect that the borders will be closed for at least another year. If I was a betting man, I would say they'll open fully in October 2022 in time for the summer tourist season.

At this stage out borders will be closed until 1st July 2022 - MIQ is fully funded until 30th June 2022 so this is as close as we have to an official opening date.

This date fitted in with our strategy of having the vaccination rollout compete by the end of 22Q1. We still don't know when our vaccine rollout is going to complete, but maybe we'll get some more information on that today - over the last month we've still had references by the PM of this being a 12 month rollout program but at the same time comments being made by her that everybody who wants a vaccine will be offered it by the end of 2021.

I don't see that July 2022 date being sustainable as the world is going to be open well before then, but for anybody planning around border closures until there is something more official then that really is the only date you can actually plan for.

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#2670863 10-Mar-2021 08:03

Covid 19 coronavirus: Large-scale vaccination clinic opens in South Auckland

The country's first large-scale Covid-19 vaccination clinic opened in South Auckland today, marking another step forward in New Zealand's vaccine roll-out plans.

Director general of health Ashley Bloomfield said around 150 people a day will get vaccinated at the East Tamaki clinic initially.

"We plan to rapidly increase these numbers over the coming week," he said.

Two other vaccination centres will open in the coming weeks, one in West Auckland and one in central Auckland.

150 people a day - that is pathetic.

There are approximately 3000 surge force volunteers and less than 50 have been used. A one day course to bring us up to scratch, army to set up the facilities on sports grounds - race courses - etc. I am sure there is enough resus equipment (O2 tanks, masks etc) for allergic reactions. Drive thru's are not the best due to the slim chance of reactions.

Just not good enough government!!

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