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  #2436359 11-Mar-2020 15:09
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frednz:

 

 

 

It would be better if this thread dealt more with facts rather than providing overly morbid predictions, such as this one which came from the quoted article:

 

When you’re done reading the article, this is what you’ll take away:

 

The coronavirus is coming to you.
It’s coming at an exponential speed: gradually, and then suddenly.
It’s a matter of days. Maybe a week or two.
When it does, your healthcare system will be overwhelmed.
Your fellow citizens will be treated in the hallways.
Exhausted healthcare workers will break down. Some will die.
They will have to decide which patient gets the oxygen and which one dies.
The only way to prevent this is social distancing today. Not tomorrow. Today.
That means keeping as many people home as possible, starting now.

 

So, we only have a week or two before NZ is overwhelmed by the virus! Now if this doesn't trigger panic buying and associated behaviours, I don't know what will! Come on, settle down, relax and get real, there's only one country in the world in lockdown.

 

 

The link is American, not from me, or Geekzone, or Ministry of Health, or WHO

 

You cant conclude that that article means NZ is overwhelmed in a week or two. No one here to my knowledge has stated that.


 
 
 

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  #2436361 11-Mar-2020 15:19
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kingdragonfly: I hate to be jaded, but I'd be more concerned about Americans stockpiling ammunition than toilet paper.

Even before the virus, Americans were heavily armed.

 

 

Has the number of Covid-19 deaths in the US passed the number of deaths due to mass shootings? For shootings in general it's fairly consistent at 10-15K a year, but mass shootings tend to get buried in the overall figure.

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Has the number of Covid-19 deaths in the US passed the number of deaths due to mass shootings? For shootings in general it's fairly consistent at 10-15K a year, but mass shootings tend to get buried in the overall figure.


Why is that relevant? Here's a Joe Rogan interview where the interviewee (far more of an expert than anyone in this thread, about 2 minutes in) suggests "conservatively" over 480000 deaths in the US due to Coronavirus in next 4 to 7 months. More than 10x worse than seasonal flu. https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw

Edit: video is from: http://podcasts.joerogan.net/podcasts/michael-osterholm



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  #2436367 11-Mar-2020 15:38
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Does DMT kill coronvirus?


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  #2436372 11-Mar-2020 15:49
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cddt:

freitasm:


The number of people that go to work when sick... I doubt some will change their bad habits.



 


Unfortunately deeply ingrained in the Kiwi psyche...



It’s a factor of a system where sick leave is defined in days rather than something you take when sick until the illness passes.





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  #2436373 11-Mar-2020 15:52
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GV27:

Self isolation means not just isolating yourself but your kids and your partner too.



No it doesn’t. Not grammatically, at least.





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  #2436374 11-Mar-2020 15:58
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GV27:

 

Does DMT kill coronvirus?

 

 

 

 

Chuck Norris does. As soon as it tries to infect him it will be eradicated worldwide





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  #2436376 11-Mar-2020 16:03
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Geektastic:
GV27:

 

Self isolation means not just isolating yourself but your kids and your partner too.

 



No it doesn’t. Not grammatically, at least.

 

No, it doesn't. That's the problem. Limiting your contact with the outside world is pointless if people have intimate contact with you and then go into the outside world. 


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  #2436378 11-Mar-2020 16:04
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tdgeek:

 

The link is American, not from me, or Geekzone, or Ministry of Health, or WHO

 

You cant conclude that that article means NZ is overwhelmed in a week or two. No one here to my knowledge has stated that.

 

 

From the same article:

 

But in 2–4 weeks, when the entire world is in lockdown, when the few precious days of social distancing you will have enabled will have saved lives, people won’t criticize you anymore: They will thank you for making the right decision.

 

Note the reference in the same article to the "entire world". I'm glad this doesn't include NZ, thanks for pointing that out!

 

Of course, there are lots of positive articles around which reassure us that things won't be too bad after all, such as this one, which is directly referring to NZ:

 

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/03/coronavirus-doctor-estimates-half-of-new-zealand-s-population-could-become-infected.html

 

Dr Samantha Murton, the head of the Royal New Zealand College of General Practitioners (RNZCGP) told Magic Talk's Ryan Bridge on Tuesday that estimates show half of all New Zealanders could contract the illness. 

 

"At the moment, what we are sort of looking at is that at least 50 percent would probably be infected. What the measures we are putting in place are trying to do is reduce the extreme nature of that, so we can get a reduced number," Dr Murton said.

 

So there you go, only half of us will probably be infected, that's better than all of us now isn't it!


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  #2436379 11-Mar-2020 16:08
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Geektastic:

 

 

 

 

 

 

I Believe Germany is being ultra aggressive in their testing for the virus, much more so than any other nation. This means they are picking up most of the mild/asymptomatic cases. 

 

They are also picking up cases earlier than other countries.

 

 

 

 

Germans are also generally very compliant and will report for testing promptly and on time if required to do so, unlike some nations I can think of...!

 

 

 

 

Actual INTERNATIONAL numbers released by a reputated German virologist concerning mortability: (by the way, he states that Germany will NOT be an outliner)

 

80+: 20~25%

 

70~80: 7~8%

 

60~70: 3%

 

50~60: 1~1.5%

 

<50: 0.4%

 

younger: 0.2%

 

Infection peak expected in Jun~Aug (valid for Germany)

 

Advise is to keep the children away from grandpa and grandma and better to support them instead in a protectional way.





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  #2436393 11-Mar-2020 16:26
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GV27: Does DMT kill coronvirus?


Are you asking if DMT, dimethyltryptamine, the psychedelic drug used in South American shamanic rituals, kills a virus?

It's a ... different ... line of inquiry. Where can I get a research grant?

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  #2436408 11-Mar-2020 17:14
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Geektastic: It’s a factor of a system where sick leave is defined in days rather than something you take when sick until the illness passes.

 

 

Yeah, but it's obvious why you need that, a certain percentage of people are going to take sickies all year long unless you set a hard limit. So you need some sort of limit between "have as many paid days off as you like" and "no sick leave, ever".

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  #2436410 11-Mar-2020 17:16
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frednz:

estimates show half of all New Zealanders could contract the illness.

 

 

That makes it even more deadly than the Y2K bug.

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  #2436413 11-Mar-2020 17:31
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kingdragonfly:
GV27: Does DMT kill coronvirus?


Are you asking if DMT, dimethyltryptamine, the psychedelic drug used in South American shamanic rituals, kills a virus?

It's a ... different ... line of inquiry. Where can I get a research grant?

 

It's a joke about Joe Rogan.


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  #2436414 11-Mar-2020 17:32
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neb:
Geektastic: It’s a factor of a system where sick leave is defined in days rather than something you take when sick until the illness passes.
Yeah, but it's obvious why you need that, a certain percentage of people are going to take sickies all year long unless you set a hard limit. So you need some sort of limit between "have as many paid days off as you like" and "no sick leave, ever".

 

That's why there's provisions in most IEA's these days that allow an employer to request medical records if a reasonable limit is reached.


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