2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2670865 10-Mar-2021 08:16

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150 people a day - that is pathetic.

There are approximately 3000 surge force volunteers and less than 50 have been used. A one day course to bring us up to scratch, army to set up the facilities on sports grounds - race courses - etc. I am sure there is enough resus equipment (O2 tanks, masks etc) for allergic reactions. Drive thru's are not the best due to the slim chance of reactions.

Just not good enough government!!

Is it feasible for this to be done at Doctors surgeries? Thats one of the many options that has already been mentioned, they need to be setting this up so people can choose to make an appointment or sit in a car for 3 hours at a centre. Charge $10 to help the Doctors out given the downturn they have had over Covid. Walk in, jab, wait, walk out

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#2670871 10-Mar-2021 08:36

What, the are just ramping up the program and they should be doing 10,000 a day already????

This south auckland centre was a soft launch PR event, not a mass vaccination program. Currently most vaccinations seem to be done on site (eg port workers)
They are only announcing the broad brush plan for who gets vaccinated today.

I'm not sure what the rush is. They plan is 9 months to vaccinate the whole country. Let them get organized.
The government actually have to do this right PR wise to get community buy in. Then we can get better herd immunity.
You can see they have a plan to do this with the timing of the announcements

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#2670872 10-Mar-2021 08:42

KrazyKid: What, the are just ramping up the program and they should be doing 10,000 a day already????

This south auckland centre was a soft launch PR event, not a mass vaccination program. Currently most vaccinations seem to be done on site (eg port workers)
They are only announcing the broad brush plan for who gets vaccinated today.

I'm not sure what the rush is. They plan is 9 months to vaccinate the whole country. Let them get organized.
The government actually have to do this right PR wise to get community buy in. Then we can get better herd immunity.
You can see they have a plan to do this with the timing of the announcements

This will be the latest topic of discontent and criticism. Too slow, wrong people, long lines, too slow, why not me as well when I took Granddad for his.

I see Judith wants a travel bubble quarantine free with Australia now. Then when we import covid frolm a not yet aware outbreak, then they will blame contact tracing I guess. The theme with all this is whining, not Covid

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#2670877 10-Mar-2021 08:48

Well we better buy freezers for another 5 million vaccine doses, where are we going to store all those vaccines lol

Though I wonder if the media is being a bit biased/uninformed in their reporting as it usually is the case. Let's look back in a few days /? Weeks

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#2670894 10-Mar-2021 09:18

KrazyKid: What, the are just ramping up the program and they should be doing 10,000 a day already????

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10,000 a day!

At that rate it would take 3 yrs to administer 10m doses. Going to need to be at least 3x that. Unlikely?

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#2670906 10-Mar-2021 09:41

Isnt this recent article about the pre masses vaccines, yet we are talking about the larger masses vaccine project? Which we arent doing yet

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#2670917 10-Mar-2021 09:53

Possibly picking holes the logistics/flow vs distribution a bit too early. Remembering a 'dose' is not a single vial. But a vial has 5-6 shots in each (contention there). ~6months storage in a super chiller.

It may depend on if they are being unpacked for storage or box-in-box-in-box. But I figure ours aren't currently delivered in bulk. 60-70K per previous deliveries is what, likely 14,000 vials. (5 trays in std shipping box = 975 so about 15? pizza trays once transferred). And at least 10 freezers in this facility alone capable of housing those by looks. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300230422/covid19-first-batch-of-pfizer-coronavirus-vaccine-arrives-in-new-zealand

The vials are packed in flat boxes about the size of a small pizza box, each of which holds 195 vials.

So 'they better have room for all this' probably isn't an issue unless a bomb is dropped this afternoon and we magically have 100 locations in each township and plan to run everyone through in 3 days.

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#2670919 10-Mar-2021 09:54

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KrazyKid: What, the are just ramping up the program and they should be doing 10,000 a day already????

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10,000 a day!

At that rate it would take 3 yrs to administer 10m doses. Going to need to be at least 3x that. Unlikely?

The main vaccination program is still planned to kick off in the 2nd half of this year . So that means 6 months from July until the end of the year for the vast majority of people basing it on "everybody who wants to be vaccinated" being able to be vaccinated this year.

If you assume say 300,000 people are vaccinated between now and June as higher priority cases, and 1,000,000 under 16's won't be vaccinated at all this year (since there is no vaccine approved for them) that brings us down to 3.7 million people x 2 doses = 7.4 million appointments for everybody in the country to be vaccinated.

Lets assume say 20% of people refuse the vaccine and we round that down to 3 million people for 6 million doses.

With 180 days in those 6 months that is 33,333 injections required per day.

If you look at the influenza rollout for 2020 that figure was hit on multiple days, and some days significantly higher (but seems strange that we could have upwards of 90,000 vaccinations some days - I wonder if there is some data actually reported late?)

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#2670933 10-Mar-2021 10:17

How many doctor surgeries are in NZ? I googled with no luck

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#2671059 10-Mar-2021 13:37

I was hoping the vaccine roll-out would be a little quicker than this. I was under the impression it was wider-population in Q2, but that now looks like it's at-risky only groups in Q2 and then general population in Q3.

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#2671062 10-Mar-2021 13:46

The press release:

Targeted roll-out over next 3-4 months will start to reach 2 million Kiwis in most at risk groups
Plan prioritises people most at risk of harm if they get the virus and those who live and work in places where they are most likely to pick up COVID-19
Those in South Auckland who’re over 65 or who have underlying health issues to start being vaccinated from the end of March
Minimising risk of future outbreaks central to Government plan and prioritisation
The Government is targeting those most at risk of getting and spreading COVID-19 and those most at risk of getting seriously sick from it in the next phase of the vaccine roll-out, COVID-19 Response Minister Chris Hipkins announced today.

“A top priority this year is to make sure New Zealanders get free, fair and equitable access to COVID-19 vaccines,” Chris Hipkins said.

“We are setting out the plan today after securing enough Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine for everyone in New Zealand to get the two doses they need to be fully vaccinated against the virus.

“The Ministry of Health is working with Pfizer on a delivery schedule to ensure a smooth rollout and a scaling up of our vaccination programme.

“Over 2 million New Zealanders are in line to start receiving the vaccine over the next four months with a focus on protecting those most at risk of getting the virus or being harmed by it, while also reducing the chance of ongoing spread and future outbreaks,” Chris Hipkins said.

“Our plan is clear – first protect those most at risk of picking up the virus in their workplace, reducing the risk of future outbreaks and lockdowns and then protecting those most at risk of getting seriously ill if they get the virus,” Chris Hipkins said.

“Our sequencing plan provides certainty to the over 2 million Kiwis who can expect to start being vaccinated during the initial stages of our roll-out over the next 3-4 months.

“This is a balanced plan that prioritises reducing the chance of future outbreaks while protecting our elders, those with underlying health conditions and those who live in locations where we know outbreaks have occurred.

“We are asking all New Zealanders to get vaccinated. Getting vaccinated is the best way to protect your whānau, their lives and their livelihoods.

“Every New Zealander will be able to get a vaccine and the vaccine will be free. The rest of the population will be able to be vaccinated from July onwards and our plan is to have as many people as possible vaccinated by the end of the year.

“As with the rest of our COVID-19 response we will make continuous improvements and adjustments to the vaccination roll-out. Our goal is to get as many people vaccinated as quickly as possible and that will require some flexibility within the sequencing.

“Further planning is underway on our ongoing response to COVID-19 including our management of the border. However the biggest factor in lifting COVID-19 restrictions will be a timely and high uptake of the vaccine,” Chris Hipkins said.

There are four main groups (timings will overlap, and dates might shift slightly as the Ministry continues to undertake modelling):

Group 1

Our 50,000 border and MIQ workers, their household contacts and the people they live with. This started last month and the vast bulk will be completed this month, with at least one dose administered.

Group 2

Approximately 480,000 frontline workers and people living in high-risk settings. Starting with the 57,000 healthcare workers on community frontlines, and then moving through to healthcare workers protecting our most vulnerable and some priority populations. This started in February and will continue through to May.

Group 3

Priority populations. Approximately 1.7 million people who are at higher risk if they catch COVID-19. This is planned to start in May.

Group 4

The remainder of the general population – approximately 2 million people. Starting from July.

“Approximately 40,000 courses are being allocated to Māori and Pacific providers who are working directly with older people, and we are also recognising the special circumstances of South Auckland,” Chris Hipkins said.

“Anyone who lives in the Counties Manukau DHB area who is 65 and older or who has an underlying health condition is also in Group 2. This recognises that there are many border operations and MIQ facilities and their workforces based in this area.

Chris Hipkins said there will be a range of options to make it as easy as possible for people to access to the vaccine.

“Workers and residents of long-term residential care environments will get the vaccine at their workplace. There will also be Māori and Pacific providers, pop-up centres, GPs, medical and hauora centres, community clinics and larger scale events.

“An online tool that helps people find out when they can get the vaccine will be launched shortly. It describes the four broad groups and will take people through a series of questions to work out when it’ll be their turn,” Chris Hipkins said.

“There are two further categories we are still looking at: one for people who may need to get a vaccine on compassionate grounds; and a national significance category, which could include groups who need a vaccine in order to represent New Zealand overseas.

“Decisions around these categories will be made at Cabinet in coming weeks.”

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#2671116 10-Mar-2021 15:19

freitasm:

The press release:

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This is how Stuff have summarised it. I personally think the timeline and prioritisation looks pretty good.

The Covid-19 vaccine roll-out

Group One, February – May:

1a) 15,000 border, managed isolation and quarantine workers

1b) 40,000 family members of border, managed isolation and quarantine workers

Group two, February – May:

2a) 57,000 frontline healthcare workers who could be exposed to Covid-19

2b) 183,000 frontline workers who could expose vulnerable people to Covid-19, and 234,000 people living in “high risk” settings.

- People in “high risk” settings include people over 65 years old living in the Counties Manukau DHB area, people in aged-care residences, and people over 65 years old living in whānau environments which pose a similar risk to aged-care residences.

Group three, beginning May:

3a) 317,000 people aged 75 years and above

3b) 432,000 people aged 65 years and above

3c) 730,000 people with “relevant” underlying health conditions and/or disabled people, and pregnant people

- Relevant health conditions include coronary heart disease, hypertension, stroke, diabetes, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease or chronic respiratory conditions, kidney diseases and cancer.

Group four, July onwards:

4) The rest of New Zealand above the age of 16 years old, approximately 2 million people

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#2671135 10-Mar-2021 16:05

Yep seems good, Once Group Four starts, I want to just walk in line up and wait, Drop my pants and get a shot (ventrogluteal), then wait 20mins for the all clear, and go. Just like I do getting my Flu Shot each year at the local chemist.

There should No need for handing over any personal details as well.

Im guessing this sort ease, wont be available untill 2022.

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#2671147 10-Mar-2021 16:39

cruxis:

Yep seems good, Once Group Four starts, I want to just walk in line up and wait, Drop my pants and get a shot (ventrogluteal), then wait 20mins for the all clear, and go. Just like I do getting my Flu Shot each year at the local chemist.

There should No need for handing over any personal details as well.

Im guessing this sort ease, wont be available untill 2022.

Guess you don't want to travel overseas?

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#2671149 10-Mar-2021 16:43

cruxis:

There should No need for handing over any personal details as well.

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