2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2674198 14-Mar-2021 11:45

Another day out at Hobsonville Point, another day where we're the only people scanning into the markets during the time that were moving around there. We don't deserve to be as lucky as we have been.

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#2674206 14-Mar-2021 12:32

GV27:

Another day out at Hobsonville Point, another day where we're the only people scanning into the markets during the time that were moving around there. We don't deserve to be as lucky as we have been.

pretty standard for what i have seen

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#2674208 14-Mar-2021 12:39

Jase2985:

GV27:

Another day out at Hobsonville Point, another day where we're the only people scanning into the markets during the time that were moving around there. We don't deserve to be as lucky as we have been.

pretty standard for what i have seen

the only people i see doing it are middle aged white woman. Anyone under the age of 25 just wont bother.

Common sense is not as common as you think.

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#2674217 14-Mar-2021 13:01

GV27:

Another day out at Hobsonville Point, another day where we're the only people scanning into the markets during the time that were moving around there. We don't deserve to be as lucky as we have been.

Yep, lucky is a bit of an understatement tbh.

We have dodged so many bullets in this pandemic despite peoples actions that should have made any clusters so much worse than they have been.

I can sort of see why some people here have trouble believing that covid19 is as dangerous as it is, but then i get a notification from the "wake up nz now" faceberk page and get reminded just how stupid some people are.

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#2674232 14-Mar-2021 14:20

vexxxboy:

the only people i see doing it are middle aged white woman. Anyone under the age of 25 just wont bother.

The sad irony is that it's the under 25s who are most likely to have access to the necessary technology. I can understand a lot of older people being genuinely unable to use the app, but there must be very few younger people in that position.

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#2674236 14-Mar-2021 14:39

ezbee:
Re Italy.

Italy has administered so far about 6 million vaccine doses.
About 4.5 million people with at least one dose, Almost 2M have had both.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_vaccination_in_Italy

Total population is about 60M, so they have a ways to go before it makes a difference.
They suffered horribly at the start and its still a year later surging again.

Charts and numbers on vaccinations for each state across Europe, most well south of 10% so far.
https://www.euronews.com/2021/03/12/covid-19-vaccinations-in-europe-which-countries-are-leading-the-way

UK from a population of about 68M have about 23M with first dose and 1.4M with second.

You can see increasing pressure across Europe on vaccine supply when they are monitoring exports.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/10/britain-has-no-ban-on-covid-vaccine-exports-eu-concedes

IMHO our TV news etc, is rather sparse on covering how world is progressing.
Maybe a quick mention of something big like Italy lockdown, or Brazil is doing badly, then back to Royal goings on.
Nothing to give context the continuous progress of rest of world, cases and vaccinations.
A few regular state of play graphics maybe useful.

At least it would show nutters talking about us being used to test vaccines, the millions and 10s millions, and heading for 100's millions well before us.

Good points. Germany is not doing well in vaccination or reduction. Looks like something is disconnected there:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.dw.com/en/coronavirus-digest-germanys-incidence-rate-rises-sharply/a-56860922

Maybe Merkel has taken her eye of the ball. It looks pretty serious.

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#2674610 14-Mar-2021 22:02

AU now investigating travel bubble with Singapore 'by July' ... for people who have been vaccinated. NZ possibly included as a three way bubble?

https://7news.com.au/travel/australian-government-working-on-international-travel-bubble-as-early-as-july-c-2351106

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#2674616 14-Mar-2021 22:39

DS248:

AU now investigating travel bubble with Singapore 'by July' ... for people who have been vaccinated. NZ possibly included as a three way bubble?

https://7news.com.au/travel/australian-government-working-on-international-travel-bubble-as-early-as-july-c-2351106

AFAIK NZers don't have to quarantine in SG

so there's already half a bubble

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#2674675 15-Mar-2021 07:35

Batman:
DS248:

AU now investigating travel bubble with Singapore 'by July' ... for people who have been vaccinated. NZ possibly included as a three way bubble?

https://7news.com.au/travel/australian-government-working-on-international-travel-bubble-as-early-as-july-c-2351106

AFAIK NZers don't have to quarantine in SG

so there's already half a bubble

Still need COVID insurance to the tune of 30k, a test on arrival and quarantine up to 48hrs waiting results before exiting your hotel, the air travel pass and tracing app.

Vaccination sounds like it will be easier.

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#2674677 15-Mar-2021 07:39

DS248:

AU now investigating travel bubble with Singapore 'by July' ... for people who have been vaccinated. NZ possibly included as a three way bubble?

https://7news.com.au/travel/australian-government-working-on-international-travel-bubble-as-early-as-july-c-2351106

It's been really interesting that in recent months many decisions being made (or not made) by NZ are talked about in Australian media but not NZ media.

It's pretty clear now that the NZ Govt simply does not have the political agenda to have a TT bubble. The last interview with Hipkins last week was all about excuses why it couldn't happen rather than solid reasoning reasons. Continually pushing the reason that Australian's aren't allowed to leave Australia without Govt approval (which is true) so there is zero point in a bubble is really starting to grasp at straws - Australia would simply change their rules overnight if a bubble existed, but there are also hundreds of thousands of NZers in Australia who would be allowed to travel home.

He's also quoting wildly inaccurate figures for passenger numbers, claiming that between 8000 and 13,000 passengers would fly into NZ each day and that most of these arrive in a short period in the afternoon, and that if quarantine was needed it would exceed out quarantine capacity. He's being fed really poor data by advisors because we're only going to have a fraction of pre Covid capacity on Trans Tasman routes.

I really don't know why they can't just come out and say they don't want a bubble.

The fact now that we're being told we will have 2 million people vaccinated by July which is 100% of our high risk population and 50% of our total population (remembering 1 million under 16's aren't being vaccinated this year) really there are zero excuses after July for a bubble.The problem they face is whether they have the willpower to actually open up then with Australia who plan a full border reopening in October after their vaccination rollout is complete, whereas there is still nothing definitive about a date for our vaccine rollout to be complete here. It seems everybody will be offered a vaccine by the end of the year but in recent weeks we've still been told it's a 12 month rollout which fits with the original time frame of the rollout ending in 21Q1.

It still really worries me how a Govt who are so risk averse are going to sell long term endemic Covid in society (which is simply going to be the reality regardless of when our borders open) to a percentage of the population that believe we've beaten Covid and that a single case is bad and should have a lock down.

Australia have already indicated many times that travel without being vaccinated is going to be impossible in the short to medium term, it's certainly going to be very interesting to see what path NZ does down in regards to this and at what point Australia insists that NZ arrivals have to be vaccinated.

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#2674684 15-Mar-2021 08:00

I can only assume they are risk averse due to the backlash when foreigners arrive here. It needs MoH and epidemiological experts to support. Or will they be risk averse as well? If not, the Govt needs to market it to what appears to me as a very risk averse population. Feed the media daily snippets of the safety, etc. Or, ramp up the national vaccine project. If you had large centres, smaller centres at malls/supermarkets, doctor surgeries, chemists, surely it won't take an age to vaccinate everyone, subject to supply off course

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#2674691 15-Mar-2021 08:21

sbiddle: The problem they face is whether they have the willpower to actually open up then with Australia who plan a full border reopening in October after their vaccination rollout is complete, whereas there is still nothing definitive about a date for our vaccine rollout to be complete here.

There's significant scepticism that Australia's roll out will be complete by October. They are miles behind on their targets already. Couple that with the ALP states being even more risk adverse than Australia I'd say that there will be similar timing on reopening Australias border to NZ.

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#2674692 15-Mar-2021 08:21

vexxxboy:

the only people i see doing it are middle aged white woman. Anyone under the age of 25 just wont bother.

I often remark to my partner that if it ever got loose at Hobsonville Pt it would be devastating - the contact tracers wouldn't have a chance, and the median age is about 50+.

I can't speak on those 25 or younger - Level 4 basically finished off whatever social life I had left in my early 30s and I'm not really in the same places as 25 year olds anymore, so I wouldn't know.

The thought of something like Covid in Globe, Margies, Code or Met is terrifying.

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#2674696 15-Mar-2021 08:33

If I were a betting man, I'd put a fiver on a mid- to late-May no-quarantine travel bubble with Australia for anyone who has been vaccinated.
Unfortunately for the tourist trade that will be too late for the Australian (NSW: 2nd - 19th April) or NZ (17th April to 2nd May) autumn school holidays

The winter school holidays are 26th June - 11th July in NSW and July 10th - 25th in NZ.
I think the NZ government will be under irresistible pressure to open to at least vaccinated travel by then, unless we have extensive outbreaks on one side of the Tasman or the other in June

Edit: missed word

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#2674705 15-Mar-2021 08:51

Along with QLD

NSW is now back in a frantic chase mode after a 55 day break. Security worker at MIQ

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/breaking-news/pool-restaurant-among-venues-visited-by-security-guard-who-tested-positive-to-covid19-in-nsw/news-story/9a93be5fc8d6c69a4c83e39d74f878f3

(reported to have had the first dose, nearing the 2nd)

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