2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2674706 15-Mar-2021 08:57

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I think the NZ government will be under irresistible pressure to open to at least vaccinated travel by then, unless we have extensive outbreaks on one side of the Tasman or the other in June

At this point there'd still be a huge amount of locals still waiting for vaccines - get ready for the moaning about not being able to go overseas while those who were vaccinated first get the royal treatment while others haven't had a shot. Add extra Herald/folded arms photos about international vaccinated visitors displacing locals who can't go overseas for school holidays when it comes to getting accomodation in tourist hotspots and the clickbait practically writes itself.

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#2674715 15-Mar-2021 09:08

Oblivian:

Along with QLD

NSW is now back in a frantic chase mode after a 55 day break. Security worker at MIQ

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/breaking-news/pool-restaurant-among-venues-visited-by-security-guard-who-tested-positive-to-covid19-in-nsw/news-story/9a93be5fc8d6c69a4c83e39d74f878f3

(reported to have had the first dose, nearing the 2nd)

I didn't see the reporting on the vaccine but I wonder if people who have had the vaccine are being too relaxed, even just with the first shot.

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#2674716 15-Mar-2021 09:10

Oblivian:

Along with QLD

NSW is now back in a frantic chase mode after a 55 day break. Security worker at MIQ

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/breaking-news/pool-restaurant-among-venues-visited-by-security-guard-who-tested-positive-to-covid19-in-nsw/news-story/9a93be5fc8d6c69a4c83e39d74f878f3

(reported to have had the first dose, nearing the 2nd)

A lot of exposure there.

Why is this? "You must isolate for 14 days regardless of the test result, NSW Health said on Sunday."

Get a test, self isolate, but if the test is negative remain in self isolation? Is this in case of a false negative? Id say that rule will put people off the test. Probably stay home for a day or so, feel good, phew... back to normal life.

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#2674723 15-Mar-2021 09:26

freitasm:

I didn't see the reporting on the vaccine but I wonder if people who have had the vaccine are being too relaxed, even just with the first shot.

Potentially a case of take it with a grain of salt. ABC and so forth at the first reporting. But possibly no subsequent confirmation

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#2674727 15-Mar-2021 09:30

tdgeek:

A lot of exposure there.

Why is this? "You must isolate for 14 days regardless of the test result, NSW Health said on Sunday."

Get a test, self isolate, but if the test is negative remain in self isolation? Is this in case of a false negative? Id say that rule will put people off the test. Probably stay home for a day or so, feel good, phew... back to normal life.

Unsure if they are using a preset chess pieces like us (military). I suspect not, so possibly also don't restricted the players they have outside of their roles but running A standard testing regime?

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#2674730 15-Mar-2021 09:35

Oblivian:
tdgeek:

A lot of exposure there.

Why is this? "You must isolate for 14 days regardless of the test result, NSW Health said on Sunday."

Get a test, self isolate, but if the test is negative remain in self isolation? Is this in case of a false negative? Id say that rule will put people off the test. Probably stay home for a day or so, feel good, phew... back to normal life.

Unsure if they are using a preset chess pieces like us (military). I suspect not, so possibly also don't restricted the players they have outside of their roles but running A standard testing regime?

Afaik the Australian federal govt hands out free money if you are isolating. There is incentive to sit at home and get paid.

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#2674733 15-Mar-2021 09:42

Batman:
Afaik the Australian federal govt hands out free money if you are isolating. There is incentive to sit at home and get paid.

Yes, but get a negative test and get paid to stay home?

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#2674734 15-Mar-2021 09:42

tdgeek:
Oblivian:

Along with QLD

NSW is now back in a frantic chase mode after a 55 day break. Security worker at MIQ

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/breaking-news/pool-restaurant-among-venues-visited-by-security-guard-who-tested-positive-to-covid19-in-nsw/news-story/9a93be5fc8d6c69a4c83e39d74f878f3

(reported to have had the first dose, nearing the 2nd)

A lot of exposure there.

Why is this? "You must isolate for 14 days regardless of the test result, NSW Health said on Sunday."

Get a test, self isolate, but if the test is negative remain in self isolation? Is this in case of a false negative? Id say that rule will put people off the test. Probably stay home for a day or so, feel good, phew... back to normal life.

Close contacts need 14 days iso regardless of test result. However, if they’re positive on the initial test you need to get a list of exposure sites out to the public to test or isolate those people.

If you test positive 3 days into iso the community doesn’t care because you’ve been in isolation for the infectious period 48hrs prior to testing positive or developing symptoms so you’re not a risk to the community and no exposure sites are generated.

Casual contacts or low risk sites are just test and isolate until negative which is usually very quick and then you’re free For even lower risk sites it’s just monitor for symptoms. Nothing new there.

Only one Sydney high risk site was the pancakes site and waiting on the office site classification.

The guard was only vaccinated 6 days prior to the likely exposure so wouldn’t be good enough to provide decent protection. The fact he doesn’t have symptoms is reassuring as is the fact his family tested negative. How are you going to infect a casual contact if you can’t infect your close contacts like family you spend the most time with?

These cases will be a walk in the park for Brisbane and Sydney compared to what they’ve dealt with in the past. I’m reasonably certain the combined total number of cases from Sydney and Brisbane will be less than the Auckland school outbreak.

The Sydney case was detected with the saliva screening test as well, a clear reason New Zealand should adopt this and fast.

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#2674736 15-Mar-2021 09:45

Oblivian:
freitasm:

I didn't see the reporting on the vaccine but I wonder if people who have had the vaccine are being too relaxed, even just with the first shot.

Potentially a case of take it with a grain of salt. ABC and so forth at the first reporting. But possibly no subsequent confirmation

Confirmed by the prime minister and New South Wales health. Only had the first dose.

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#2674740 15-Mar-2021 09:52

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sbiddle: The problem they face is whether they have the willpower to actually open up then with Australia who plan a full border reopening in October after their vaccination rollout is complete, whereas there is still nothing definitive about a date for our vaccine rollout to be complete here.

There's significant scepticism that Australia's roll out will be complete by October. They are miles behind on their targets already. Couple that with the ALP states being even more risk adverse than Australia I'd say that there will be similar timing on reopening Australias border to NZ.

One of Australia's biggest issues right now is their own TGA haven't signed off on the locally produced AstraZeneca vaccine, so it can't be used. They can only use imported AstraZeneca which has been approved.

The fact they are producing it locally could still mean they're able to ramp up the rollout pretty quickly providing they don't face any hurdles such as a production failure.

The biggest issue I see them facing right now is all the bad press around the AstraZeneca vaccine.

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#2674741 15-Mar-2021 09:52

chatterbox:

Close contacts need 14 days iso regardless of test result. .

Ok, I guess that's saying they cannot trust a negative test

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#2674747 15-Mar-2021 10:09

Batman:
Afaik the Australian federal govt hands out free money if you are isolating. There is incentive to sit at home and get paid.

It's possibly not been picked up on the way I worded, or read.. But he WORKS at an MIQ facility (among others). A repeat of our contracted security leak before they called in the DF. So it's possible (I can't find it off hand) that this was standard surveillance testing like we have for staff at the facilities here (who are still free to run normal lives with their role and dangers associated in mind) that caught it - TVNZ have reported it as Routine testing.

Not possibly as clear cut as he should have been staying home because he's had a random test like a public member.

The Sydney man was also working a separate office job, with the state opposition renewing calls for security guards to be employed full-time to ensure they are not working across multiple sites.

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#2674751 15-Mar-2021 10:18

tdgeek:
chatterbox:

Close contacts need 14 days iso regardless of test result. .

Ok, I guess that's saying they cannot trust a negative test

For a close contact no, but for a casual contact yes. NZ does the same.

It’s not really a trust issue either.
Remember NZs first case that returned several negatives first but had symptoms and either he or his family had travelled from Iran? These tests aren’t 100% reliable for positives or negatives so have to weigh up all the factors. This guy had the right symptoms and travel history. When things don’t add up, like a negative test result you have to weigh it up and in that case treat them like a positive. It’s the most likely answer and the safest.

When you know someone is a close contact and a 14 day incubation will catch 95% of cases, why would you rely on an early negative test result to release them? Wait for the latter test.

And yes there is money available for those forced to isolate for 14 days. Thats 14 days off work, lost income for people which is a driving factor to ignore public health directives and go to work because you need to feed your family. It was recognised some time ago this was a factor in ongoing transmission. Other services exist to help people stay at home. Much cheaper than lockdowns.

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#2674753 15-Mar-2021 10:28

tdgeek:

chatterbox:

Close contacts need 14 days iso regardless of test result. .

Ok, I guess that's saying they cannot trust a negative test

Sort of,

Its just they are unsure if there will have been enough time between exposure and the test to develop enough viral load for detection...

As mentioned above, we did the same in the most recent outbreak, requiring close and close+ to test at 5 days and at 12 days, and to isolate for the full period...

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#2674772 15-Mar-2021 11:17

The Aust. job keeper scheme was also pretty generous compared to ours, from memory.

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