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#2689495 8-Apr-2021 18:19

Stuff is reporting

“As reported earlier, the case has not yet been vaccinated,” the statement said.
“The ministry understands two appointments for vaccination were missed by the case due to personal reasons. The employer is being contacted for further relevant information.”

Eighty-one per cent of staff at the Grand Millennium have received their first vaccination, the statement said.

Only 81% have received their first jab?
What is wrong at that particular MIQ facility when the overall rate is reported at 95%?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300272160/covid19-auckland-managed-isolation-facility-worker-tests-positive-for-virus

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#2689499 8-Apr-2021 18:36

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People will get missed. People take days off or have to stay home to look after kids or swap shifts with colleagues or whathaveyou. There's lots of everyday reasons that someone who is working close to the border might fall through a crack.

And the system should be built to handle that, the Guard was at work and they have the ability to vaccinate at those locations (or so we are told)

If you miss your vaccination appointment, you should get a text to ask for a rebook,

When you subsequently roll up for work a red light goes off when you clock in and you are asked when you are scheduled to get your shot, or you are offered the chance to go and get one on the spot..

These are the front line. this is a deadly disease, we need to get this right... not almost right...

you are not suppose to have a covid jab within 72 hours of working in a MIQ facility, you are not suppose to have a covid jab within a month of having a variety of other vaccinations, you are not suppose to have the covid jab with 2 weeks of getting a flu jab.

sometimes it can be hard to make it work.

thats not to say the employers shouldn't be trying harder but sometimes rosters have been made weeks/months in advance.

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#2689544 8-Apr-2021 19:05

Jase2985:

approximately 60% for the first dose and about 95% for the second one.

potentially need a yearly booster.

It's "probably" higher than that, but of course it's complicated. This for the Pfizer vaccine:

Based on the timing of cases accrued in the phase 3 study, most vaccine failures in the period between doses occurred shortly after vaccination, suggesting that short term protection from dose 1 is very high from day 10 after vaccination (Polack et al, 2020). Using data for those cases observed between day 15 and 21, efficacy against symptomatic COVID-19 was estimated at 89% (95% CI 52-97%).

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#2689620 8-Apr-2021 21:40

Fred99:

Talk about jumping the gun. All we've been told is that the MIQ worker wasn't vaccinated, he was "security" (whatever that means), he should have been stood down to non-contact duties if he refused vaccination (or was unable to be vaccinated). Stuff's blog was reporting that he had a "high Ct count", then that means he had an "acute" infection, clearly indicating that whoever's blogging for them has zero understanding of PCR Ct counts and don't know what an "acute" infection is.

I'm happy to wait for more information before sending people to the firing squad.

Sometimes I've been accused of being a bit pessimistic here, but jeesh...

I feel like I understated my case now. It's pretty clear now we're really just dealing with multiple levels of incompetence along with clear misinformation - something that's now happening becoming a theme of our Covid response.

The simple fact is that no, there was zero requirement for the worker to be vaccinated despite working at a MIQ facility. Despite the Covid response minister telling the Covid health committee last month that that workers would require a vaccination, nothing had been done. It's too difficult we're told, and there are employment issues involved. Rubbish.

The security company that has the contract with MBIE simply needs to have a clause in their contract with MBIE that says they have to supply security personnel who are vaccinated. End of story. There are no employment issues here - they simply deploy the staff elsewhere. And after once again telling us this afternoon that the situation was "complex" suddenly now from Monday nobody who hasn't been vaccinated wikll be allowed to work there. Now that didn't seem difficult did it - why can this suddenly now be actioned in days?

It seems the only way the Govt reacts is when something happens - rather than being proactive, they're being reactive. This isn't good enough when we're dealing with something so dangerous.

The real problem seems to be that our vaccine rollout is now such a train wreck that despite the fact we've given 90,000 doses we have still only given at least one dose to 80% of the 15,000 workers at our border and MIQ facilities. Why!? We've known for months with the 16 cases of Community transmission from our MIQ facilities that they are our weakest link, and the fact that MBIE, the MoH and Govt still don't seem to be taking things seriously is now beyond a joke.

We've so far seen zero places of interest (could be possible this person went zero places but that's obviously highly unlikely) and once again what is clear Community transmission isn't being called that. Why?

People who are being paid to protect out country are failing at their jobs. Accountability needs to start occurring - but I can see that's simply not going to happen.

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#2689623 8-Apr-2021 21:53

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I feel like I understated my case now. It's pretty clear now we're really just dealing with multiple levels of incompetence along with clear misinformation - something that's now happening becoming a theme of our Covid response.

The simple fact is that no, there was zero requirement for the worker to be vaccinated despite working at a MIQ facility. Despite the Covid response minister telling the Covid health committee last month that that workers would require a vaccination, nothing had been done. It's too difficult we're told, and there are employment issues involved. Rubbish.

The security company that has the contract with MBIE simply needs to have a clause in their contract with MBIE that says they have to supply security personnel who are vaccinated. End of story. There are no employment issues here - they simply deploy the staff elsewhere. And after once again telling us this afternoon that the situation was "complex" suddenly now from Monday nobody who hasn't been vaccinated wikll be allowed to work there. Now that didn't seem difficult did it - why can this suddenly now be actioned in days?

you tell me how this applies to the NZDF who have a large number of people working MIQ. you cant just deploy these people else where because you would have no one left to fill those positions.

private security are not the only ones providing security at MIF/Q facilities.

while it seems simple on the surface there is so much more to it than that.

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#2689624 8-Apr-2021 21:53

Fred99:

I expect the decision by UK to offer alternatives to the AZ vaccine to under 30s may have consequences for supply of other vaccines, including Pfizer.
That's possibly likely to spread - other countries nearing completion of vaccination of vulnerable and older age groups may make the same decision, leaving many or all 16-30YOs unvaccinated isn't a good option.

Australian health authority now switching from AZ to Pfizer for vaccinations for 50 year old and younger.

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#2689629 8-Apr-2021 22:05

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I expect the decision by UK to offer alternatives to the AZ vaccine to under 30s may have consequences for supply of other vaccines, including Pfizer.
That's possibly likely to spread - other countries nearing completion of vaccination of vulnerable and older age groups may make the same decision, leaving many or all 16-30YOs unvaccinated isn't a good option.

Australian health authority now switching from AZ to Pfizer for vaccinations for 50 year old and younger.

Not exactly. At this stage it's a recommendation from the advisory group.

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#2689630 8-Apr-2021 22:13

Handle9:

Not exactly. At this stage it's a recommendation from the advisory group.

Prime Minister Scott Morrison said they accepted the experts’ advice and “made decisions in the best interests of Australians"

Seems like a done deal according to SMH.

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#2689632 8-Apr-2021 22:16

Jase2985:

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Hmmm? No one is required to work at MIQ so there shouldn't be a "get out of having to work at MIQ" situation. If someone doesn't want to work at MIQ they can just quit.

might want to check that because some people are required to work there.

think NZDF.

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#2689633 8-Apr-2021 22:18

Fred99:

Handle9:

Not exactly. At this stage it's a recommendation from the advisory group.

Prime Minister Scott Morrison said they accepted the experts’ advice and “made decisions in the best interests of Australians"

Seems like a done deal according to SMH.

He also said it's not a prohibition, directive or instruction. Let's see what that means practically.

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#2689635 8-Apr-2021 22:30

So all MIQ and border workers were going to be vaccinated within 2-3 weeks from mid Feb. We even had the 30,000 doses for them. What happened? Why is this figure still only at 80%?

https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/first-batch-covid-19-vaccine-arrives-nz

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#2689636 8-Apr-2021 22:36

sbiddle:

The real problem seems to be that our vaccine rollout is now such a train wreck that despite the fact we've given 90,000 doses we have still only given at least one dose to 80% of the 15,000 workers at our border and MIQ facilities. Why!? We've known for months with the 16 cases of Community transmission from our MIQ facilities that they are our weakest link, and the fact that MBIE, the MoH and Govt still don't seem to be taking things seriously is now beyond a joke.

The vaccine rollout is in very early stages and is broadly on track with the targeted numbers that have been published. The start up problems are pretty much the same as problems that have happened everywhere in the world. Certainly the NZ plan seems far more realistic than the Australian plan which is millions of vaccinations behind. I'd say it's fairly likely that both will finish at roughly the same time, likely at a similar time to much of Europe.

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#2689639 8-Apr-2021 22:48

Handle9:

He also said it's not a prohibition, directive or instruction. Let's see what that means practically.

Not hard to guess. No matter how relatively insignificant the risk of the AZ vaccine may be, given a choice then anybody "informed" under 50 should probably opt for Pfizer (or Moderna) based on efficacy alone. That's not "advice" - but it's what I'd do.
Good luck to Morrison trying to sell the idea that AZ is all good and safe - when his experts have declared publicly that it may not be.

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#2689643 8-Apr-2021 23:05

Fred99:
Handle9:

He also said it's not a prohibition, directive or instruction. Let's see what that means practically.

Not hard to guess. No matter how relatively insignificant the risk of the AZ vaccine may be, given a choice then anybody "informed" under 50 should probably opt for Pfizer (or Moderna) based on efficacy alone. That's not "advice" - but it's what I'd do.
Good luck to Morrison trying to sell the idea that AZ is all good and safe - when his experts have declared publicly that it may not be.

Let’s hope Australia doesn’t try encroach on NZ’s Pfizer allocation and leave us in an even worse predicament.

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#2689656 8-Apr-2021 23:58

Jase2985:

you tell me how this applies to the NZDF who have a large number of people working MIQ. you cant just deploy these people else where because you would have no one left to fill those positions.

private security are not the only ones providing security at MIF/Q facilities.

while it seems simple on the surface there is so much more to it than that.

I doubt the military is an issue with regards to vaccination. They were allocated doses early on, in readiness for potential international deployment (aid missions used as example).

Being vaccinated is not optional for enlisted military (and those who can't have vaccines aren't eligible for service). They don't enjoy many of the freedoms civilians do.

Should note that the military did their own logistics etc. I would expect they are pretty good at it.

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