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  #2436715 12-Mar-2020 10:16
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dogstar001:

 

In my experience doing payroll.

 

30% use their 5 days entitlement of sick leave in about 3 months, meaning they have no sick leave for the remaining 9 months

 

30% use their 5 days sick entitlement of sick leave over the course of the year.

 

20% have 5-10 days accumulated at any one time

 

10% have 10 -20 days accumulated at any one time

 

10% hit the 20 days maximum, they never seam to be sick

 

 

 

 

 

 

Interesting. 60% use it all up every year. Any idea how many unpaid sick days occur?

 

 

Not that many actually, with a company of 100 people you could expect maybe 50 unpaid sick days a year (total).

 

Which is only about .5 sick days per employee per year.

 

I think people tend to increase their threshold significantly as to what they consider "sick enough to not go to work" once they

 

are not being paid for the day.

 

 

 

 

 

 


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  #2436717 12-Mar-2020 10:22
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dogstar001:

 

 

 

Not that many actually, with a company of 100 people you could expect maybe 50 unpaid sick days a year (total).

 

Which is only about .5 sick days per employee per year.

 

I think people tend to increase their threshold significantly as to what they consider "sick enough to not go to work" once they

 

are not being paid for the day.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, that was my point, many only get sick at the same number the sick day allowance is, how lucky is that! But hardly any are sick past that.

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  #2436718 12-Mar-2020 10:23
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  #2436719 12-Mar-2020 10:35
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MurrayM:

 

Just checked our company intranet to see what it says about sick leave and found this:

 

If you have worked for us continuously for six, (6) months you are entitled to five, (5) days sick leave.  You are able to accumulate up to fifty, (50) days sick total. You are able to take sick leave if you or a person dependent on you is sick. In some circumstances you may be required to provide a medical certificate.

 

How does this compare to other companies?

 

 

 

 

This is what teachers get.

 

Length of service  Entitlement*

 

Up to 3 months -7 days

 

Over 3 months and up to 6 months  -14 days

 

Over 6 months and up to 9 months -31 days

 

Over 9 months and up to 5 years - 46 days

 

Over 5 years and up to 10 years - 92 days

 

Over 10 years and up to 20 years  -154 days

 

Over 20 years and up to 30 years - 229 days

 

Over 30 years - 306 days

 

 

 

*Aggregate period for which sick leave on pay is granted during service.

 

The day you start teaching you have seven days sick leave entitlement. When you have three months’ sick leave service you gain another seven days making a total of 14 days entitlement. Note that this is an aggregate entitlement, not a cumulative entitlement. Nobody has an entitlement of more that 306 days sick leave except in cases where all 306 days have been exhausted and the provisions of the Holidays Act 2003 will then apply.

 

There is also a five day rule that if you take more than 5 days the weekend is counted as sick leave.

 

When a full-time teacher is on sick leave for more than five consecutive school days they also lose the intervening weekends as sick leave. Thus, a teacher absent for a week from Monday to Friday loses five days if they return to work on the Monday of the next week. Similarly, a teacher absent on Wednesday through to Tuesday of the following week also loses five days sick leave. However, in both the above examples, as soon as the total of continuous working days sick leave reaches six, a weekend is counted as sick leave, meaning that the total number of sick days used becomes eight.

 

 

 

 





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  #2436720 12-Mar-2020 10:36
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It's very easy for journalists to say the Government should be doing more, but a prolonged period of us all self-isolating could cause even worse situations, such as people and shops running out of food and money. So, everyone has to learn to KEEP CALM and not at any time go into "panic" mode!

 

 

I agree, for NZ, right now.

 

Mr Trademe's article seems to be the result of scanning the internet and picking up the latest jargon. Ignoring the fact that we only have 5 cases, of which I think are only three actual incursions, two caught it off exisitng incursions, family. And there wasnt proper self isolation by them after arriving

 

I dont know the real numbers for NZ, reported is 5, probables are 2. We have had about 9000 isolations, currently 2300 are still isolating, one would assume they are all incommg travellers and close contacts. Right now, stand at ease. It "appears" that voluntary isolation is largely being acted upon. So I agree, no need to panic right now, here at least. Had the 5 we had become 8, then 15, then 34, it would be different.

 

I find his article very harmful. Like scams, many will believe it.

 

What I bolded, in Italy you can go to work, shop (shops have to be shut by 6pm) and stay one metre apart. So its a full lockdown but not a lock in. They sought a lockdown that still allows some business activity


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  #2436722 12-Mar-2020 10:45
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tdgeek:

 

 

 

Yes, that was my point, many only get sick at the same number the sick day allowance is, how lucky is that! But hardly any are sick past that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Instead they come in feeling like crap, work at half pace and infect everyone else in their workplace. Then they all do the same. Total lost productivity is overall higher than if that one person just stayed home an extra day or two.


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  #2436723 12-Mar-2020 10:50
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What I bolded, in Italy you can go to work, shop (shops have to be shut by 6pm) and stay one metre apart. So its a full lockdown but not a lock in. They sought a lockdown that still allows some business activity

 

 

Although it is being tightened today, But I'm guessing there is not a lot of  non discretionary shopping going on now anyway..

 

 "The country’s prime minister, Giuseppe Conte, has now said shops – barring supermarkets, food stores and chemists – will be shut down, while companies must close all their departments that are not essential to production.

 

Services such as hairdressers and beauty parlours will also be closed, along with bars and restaurants that cannot guarantee they can keep a distance of at least one metre between customers. Referring to the daily bulletins announcing the number of new cases and deaths, Conte said:

 

Conte’s office said the new measures would be in force from Thursday until 25 March.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/mar/11/coronavirus-update-live-news-uk-health-minister-italy-lockdown-australia-us-china-stock-markets-outbreak-latest-updates

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  #2436724 12-Mar-2020 10:50
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Varkk:

 

tdgeek:

 

 

 

Yes, that was my point, many only get sick at the same number the sick day allowance is, how lucky is that! But hardly any are sick past that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Instead they come in feeling like crap, work at half pace and infect everyone else in their workplace. Then they all do the same. Total lost productivity is overall higher than if that one person just stayed home an extra day or two.

 

 

Agree. They took some fake sickies and lost productivity, then once all gone and genuinely sick, come in, as you say


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  #2436725 12-Mar-2020 10:53
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Temporary measures to cover situations where employees don't have adequate sick days accumulated to cover time needed for quarantine or recovery should be and probably will be part of NZ pandemic planning.

 

Even in America where they'd reject that idea as "too socialist", some large employers that don't otherwise have a great reputation for looking after workers have implemented policy to cover this - out of self-interest maybe.

 

God help those who are self-employed, casual, or working for small business that don't have the resources to cover such an eventuality.


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  #2436726 12-Mar-2020 10:54
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wellygary:

 

tdgeek:

 

What I bolded, in Italy you can go to work, shop (shops have to be shut by 6pm) and stay one metre apart. So its a full lockdown but not a lock in. They sought a lockdown that still allows some business activity

 

 

Although it is being tightened today, But I'm guessing there is not a lot of  non discretionary shopping going on now anyway..

 

 "The country’s prime minister, Giuseppe Conte, has now said shops – barring supermarkets, food stores and chemists – will be shut down, while companies must close all their departments that are not essential to production.

 

Services such as hairdressers and beauty parlours will also be closed, along with bars and restaurants that cannot guarantee they can keep a distance of at least one metre between customers. Referring to the daily bulletins announcing the number of new cases and deaths, Conte said:

 

Conte’s office said the new measures would be in force from Thursday until 25 March.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/mar/11/coronavirus-update-live-news-uk-health-minister-italy-lockdown-australia-us-china-stock-markets-outbreak-latest-updates

 

 

 

 

Probably should have gone all in from the start, but hindsight is easy now.


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  #2436727 12-Mar-2020 11:03
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      #2436728 12-Mar-2020 11:04
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    Fred99:

     

    Temporary measures to cover situations where employees don't have adequate sick days accumulated to cover time needed for quarantine or recovery should be and probably will be part of NZ pandemic planning.

     

    Even in America where they'd reject that idea as "too socialist", some large employers that don't otherwise have a great reputation for looking after workers have implemented policy to cover this - out of self-interest maybe.

     

    God help those who are self-employed, casual, or working for small business that don't have the resources to cover such an eventuality.

     

     

    We have pandemic planning? 

     

    Its high time this government did more while they can. Waiting until next week to announce business measures just isnt good enough. They seem to be thinking it will go away and that we are so isolated it wont hurt us. Once again we are seeing poor communication and poor leadership. Allowing mass gatherings still is stupidity. The fact that JA is still shaking hands is very much like the head scarf stunt.


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      #2436730 12-Mar-2020 11:09
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    Mahon:

     

    Its high time this government did more while they can. Waiting until next week to announce business measures just isnt good enough. They seem to be thinking it will go away and that we are so isolated it wont hurt us. Once again we are seeing poor communication and poor leadership. Allowing mass gatherings still is stupidity. The fact that JA is still shaking hands is very much like the head scarf stunt.

     

     

    Pasifika going ahead mere months after we exported a measles epidemic to one of our island neighbours is beyond poor. 


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      #2436731 12-Mar-2020 11:12
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    Mahon:

     

     

     

    We have pandemic planning? 

     

    Its high time this government did more while they can. Waiting until next week to announce business measures just isnt good enough. They seem to be thinking it will go away and that we are so isolated it wont hurt us. Once again we are seeing poor communication and poor leadership. Allowing mass gatherings still is stupidity. The fact that JA is still shaking hands is very much like the head scarf stunt.

     

     

    You're in the wrong thread again


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      #2436732 12-Mar-2020 11:21
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    Mahon:

     

    We have pandemic planning? 

     

    Its high time this government did more while they can. Waiting until next week to announce business measures just isnt good enough. They seem to be thinking it will go away and that we are so isolated it wont hurt us. Once again we are seeing poor communication and poor leadership. Allowing mass gatherings still is stupidity. The fact that JA is still shaking hands is very much like the head scarf stunt.

     

     

    We do have pandemic planning.  There's a link to the policies somewhere above in the thread.

     

    I don't think that shaking hands is a good move, that's exactly the kind of thing where "by example" leaders could influence behaviour to slow down spread - and that's an easy one.

     

     


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