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  #2700086 30-Apr-2021 12:38
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networkn:

 

I think peoples relunctance to the vaccine, and natural distrust, is entirely reasonable. Vaccines were initially said to be 'years' away as in 2-3. Suddenly, they had them. It happened very quickly.

 

I am pro science, pro vaccination and *very* against anti-vaxxers, but even I felt slightly anxious toward it. I did it because I am high risk for a number of reasons including the fact my wife is a front line worker, but mostly because I feel a responsibility to do my part to protect those who cannot have the vaccination. I don't think for this particular vaccination, jumping over people who are relunctant or anxious is appropriate. Unlike Measles, Whooping Cough and Polio who have massively long and successful track records, C19 vaccine is pretty new and unknown. Softly softly is the way to reassure people.

 

 

Yeah, I agree it's not unreasonable at all, and it's not a viewpoint I'd judge people for holding. I held similar concerns last year when the talk of vaccine development started. But I've been following along pretty closely, and I have absolutely no hesitation to get the jab now.

But many in our wider friend and whanau circles may not have been keeping on top of all the information out there. This is why I'm a proponent of amplifying any stuff like this article that is concise and easy to digest, and written by an expert in that particular field. Especially now that we have concerted anti-vaxx and COVID conspiracy theory campaigns infiltrating our letterboxes and being handed out in public spaces. 


 
 
 

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  #2700091 30-Apr-2021 12:50
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  #2700094 30-Apr-2021 12:57
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So, 10 days in, after a few hours Perth was a problem. Now a Brisbane leak. And on The Herald article on the BNE leak, there is an issue in Melbourne. Makes MIQ look like Fort Knox

 

 

 

Melbourne alert

 

Meanwhile, 246 people have been told to urgently take a coronavirus test in Melbourne after a "strong and unexpected" surge in viral fragments in wastewater in the city's western and northwestern suburbs.

 

"This additional action is being taken due to the strength of the wastewater detection and because a known positive Covid-19 case, from flight QF778, has been in Victoria in the past 14 days," the Victorian health department said in a statement.

 

The 246 people who have been contacted today include four primary close contacts of that case and 242 recently returned red and orange zone travel permit holders.

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/covid-19-coronavirus-traveller-who-breached-transtasman-bubble-in-brisbane-tests-positive/WUGMNS5EDDG2T4K2ZKWHN2XX24/

 

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  #2700095 30-Apr-2021 12:58
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I still think this "bubble" should not have been.





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  #2700100 30-Apr-2021 13:07
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Ive flipped back and forth on it, I can't see a lot of economic gain. But MIQ has let in well over 100,000 with about a dozen leaks, this bubble is 10 days in and there are three potential locations over there that have shown a risk. Two flights arrived here in Chch yesterday, one in AKL, where the passengers were in the same terminal as the infected case. Melbourne? How many have arrived from there in recent days IF that turns out to be new problem/outbreak? if that did, its already well out of control tracing wise


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  #2700102 30-Apr-2021 13:12
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I fully support the view that there is an important distinction between strident anti-vaxxers, versus those who just need a bit of reassurance.

 

Some people, my parents being a good example, don't know where to go for reliable information in the modern era. These people can easily be reasoned with.

 

As for the anti-vax conspiracy theorists, I'd love to know a bit more about the psychology that drives them. Do they seriously believe what they say, or are they trying to stir up trouble to advance some other political agenda? The Facebook aspect is really interesting because it points to a herd mentality where these people are amplifying each other, perhaps in some sort of misguided pursuit of social validation. 




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  #2700117 30-Apr-2021 13:53
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If a human can fark up or lie, it will happen.





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  #2700130 30-Apr-2021 15:03
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freitasm:

The U.S. saw about 600 deaths from influenza during the 2020-2021 flu season. In comparison, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimated there were roughly 22,000 deaths in the prior season and 34,000 two seasons ago.

 

 

Also, those figures are estimated, not counted deaths (this is useful to know when debating "Covid is no worse than the flu" idiots). Estimated deaths are the number of people known to have died of flu multiplied by a scaling factor which varies each year but from memory is typically 3.something. So "34,000 dead" means "11,000 known to have died from the flu". Covid figures OTOH are purely counted deaths. Excess deaths in the US last year were 3 million.

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  #2700132 30-Apr-2021 15:09
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networkn:

I think peoples relunctance to the vaccine, and natural distrust, is entirely reasonable. Vaccines were initially said to be 'years' away as in 2-3. Suddenly, they had them. It happened very quickly.

 

 

Oooh, oohh, I know this one, I know this one! It's "well, how long should it have taken then, and where does it say that?". Same as the response to "the Twin Towers were faked because they shouldn't have collapsed like that": "well, based on all the previous examples of this happening, how should a 110-storey building collapse?".

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  #2700134 30-Apr-2021 15:13
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dclegg:

I held similar concerns last year when the talk of vaccine development started. But I've been following along pretty closely, and I have absolutely no hesitation to get the jab now.

 

 

Same here. In particular I was a bit nervous about the mRNA-based ones because it'd never been done before, but of all the vaccines it's probably the safest because it contains no virus matter, even inactivated, at all. Problem is that all the explanations of how it works that I've seen are incomprehensible to normal humans, they just hear somethingNA and think it'll turn them into zombies or something.

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  #2700220 30-Apr-2021 19:04
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mmmhmm. Right. Still same situation people. The world is imploding. We are not. Some hardship is to be expected.

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-london-returnees-long-auckland-wait-before-flight-to-christchurch-miq/5MDOQDNEUSNOMVY2UIMTVKW2GU/ 


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  #2700221 30-Apr-2021 19:06
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Five hours! To not risk dying or kill...





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  #2700222 30-Apr-2021 19:08
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neb:

 

Same here. In particular I was a bit nervous about the mRNA-based ones because it'd never been done before, but of all the vaccines it's probably the safest because it contains no virus matter, even inactivated, at all. Problem is that all the explanations of how it works that I've seen are incomprehensible to normal humans, they just hear somethingNA and think it'll turn them into zombies or something.

 

Yeah. The whole 'it happened to fast' and 'modifies your DNA' thing irks me.

 

We have labs around the world. Have had for YEARS. Struggling for funding for machines and staff to work on developing stuff. It takes brain power and money. And not a lot of places have either.

 

All of a sudden. Entire nations hand out BILLIONS of dollars for the greater good to labs. Stuffs going to happen faster than standing up infront of a hospital board and pleading for a grant. Think the sharks tank, but smart people. Money makes things happen!


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