2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2707730 14-May-2021 20:32

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PolicyGuy:

40/150 Covid positive = 27% positive 😱

That's horrific if indicative of India in general.

Assuming that Australians in India are probably in the higher echelons of socio-economic strata, it probably indicates that the general situation is much, much worse than that.

That's why not having repatriation flights to NZ is a no-brainer

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#2707732 14-May-2021 20:38

What's interesting is the absolute outrage in Australia at the fact there are no flights from India. We're not seeing that here.

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#2707734 14-May-2021 20:47

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What's interesting is the absolute outrage in Australia at the fact there are no flights from India. We're not seeing that here.

The arbitrary mess of Australian quarantine and flights has built up to this. It's been bubbling pretty hard for 6 months or so, this is the explosion that was always coming.

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#2707740 14-May-2021 22:19

Taiwan has had to start putting some restrictions back as a small outbreak grows.
Hopefully they can deal to this as they did last year.

Taipei shuts down nightlife venues and internet cafes due to COVID surge
https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4203504

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Taipei City ordered all nightlife venues, dance halls, tea houses, hostess bars and Internet cafes shut for an indefinite period beginning Saturday (May 15).
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Taiwan reports record 29 local COVID cases in one day
https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4203355

Taiwanese empty supermarket shelves as local COVID cases rise
https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4202438

Local COVID case in New Taipei lies about daughter being abroad
https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4203461

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#2707773 15-May-2021 09:08

Singapore also going into lockdown.

The measures, which will be in force from Sunday to mid-June, include limiting social gatherings to two people, a halt on dining in at restaurants and for employers to make working from home a default arrangement for staff.

Malls and cinemas will be allowed to operate but at reduced capacity.

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#2707781 15-May-2021 09:43

Handle9:

You've got a senior bueracrat who trained as a medical expert. He's an expert politician, just not elected.

He's a public servant and clearly a very likeable chap - but no "politician" (even though he's been worshipped and turned into a cult figure and could now enter politics successfully). He'd be eaten alive.

I'll expect that when he said "level 2.5" he absolutely meant it. He'll have a pretty good idea of what projected vaccine uptake rates, hesitancy rates, and people who won't be vaccinated regardless are - and what the likely public health consequences will be.

There are plenty enough morons in this country to sabotage safe "opening up" plans by not getting vaccinated, some "stick and carrot" methods are going to have to be used to "encourage" people. Managing that consistent with a "Be Kind" message is going to be tricky politics - not really his field.

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#2707783 15-May-2021 09:53

Public servants get media training before they are allowed to address the media. That training would include the avoidance of any statements that could catch politicians off guard. I would find it extraordinary if Dr Bloomfield would deliberate propose an indefinite level 2.5 scenario without first having consulted with the prime minister, or Minister Hipkins.

Personally I would much rather see the borders remain shut than return to level 2.5. Others are likely to have the opposite view, which means that this issue has the potential to be quite socially divisive.

In any case it seems to be irrelevant now that the prime minister has poured cold water on the idea.

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#2707785 15-May-2021 10:11

alasta:

In any case it seems to be irrelevant now that the prime minister has poured cold water on the idea.

... of an "indefinite" level 2.5 of "ie 3-5 years (the definition of "indefinite" stated by the PM) ", which wasn't what was proposed.

I'd be very surprised if we don't end up at Level 2-3 for "periods" during opening up, but that's going to depend on vaccine take-up rates and vaccine efficacy at the time. Using a crystal ball to make critical decisions now is dumb.

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#2707834 15-May-2021 10:36

Resugence across Asia again, as more added to list.
It appears that along with a level of complacency, having porous borders, smuggling people, animals etc still a thing.
Wealthy tourism to keep things ticking over may be exposing weaknesses with people used to paying fixers to fix.
Impatience ?
Sobering to compare with Auckland conference on 'race' to get bubbles, students, capture wealthy and such.
Timing will be everything, it might feel feel like a long winter.

COVID-19 Worries Return to Vietnam
https://thediplomat.com/2021/05/covid-19-worries-return-to-vietnam/

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Vietnam has seen a new outbreak of COVID-19 sweep across 25 of its provinces since April 27, bringing 580 new infections to a country that had otherwise brought the virus mostly under control since the beginning of the pandemic.
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Vaccination drives stutter as new Covid-19 waves hit Vietnam, Thailand
https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/health-environment/article/3133254/vaccination-drives-stutter-new-covid-19-waves-hit

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In some parts of Hanoi, wartime loudspeakers invented in the 1960s to alert citizens to American bombings have been turned on again to urge people to stay vigilant of the new outbreak.
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Meanwhile, another cluster in Cambodia has been blamed on a group of Chinese nationals who arrived from Dubai then allegedly bribed security guards and left their 14-day hotel quarantine early to visit a nightclub.
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#2707915 15-May-2021 13:18

Fred99:

I'd be very surprised if we don't end up at Level 2-3 for "periods" during opening up, but that's going to depend on vaccine take-up rates and vaccine efficacy at the time. Using a crystal ball to make critical decisions now is dumb.

I am struggling to understand why we would open up at all in that scenario. It would trash our events and hospitality industries and, as someone else has already pointed out, there aren't many tourists who would want to take the risk of coming here if they are potentially going to be under those sorts of restrictions.

I can understand why we might introduce some limited quarantine free travel on compassionate grounds, but completely opening up to the whole world doesn't make sense to me.

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#2707920 15-May-2021 14:08

sbiddle:

What's interesting is the absolute outrage in Australia at the fact there are no flights from India. We're not seeing that here.

This goes back to their penal colony roots and is a mix of cultural hubris, cultural heritage and cultural bias due to the fact that Australia is a land of quite recent immigrants (233 years), a lot of whom have fled very bad/terrible regimes so they don't like to be told. Plus the fact they like to gamble. (they will gamble on two flies chasing two rain drops down a window pane) and then there is that "she'll be right mate" (Laissez-faire) attitude.

Lots of contradictions there but I think you get my drift.

But unfortunately their current PM is Right Wing and, in some cases, a fascist and religious zealot though he likes to appear as an ordinary Aussie bloke, he is not. (all for Aussie's and Aussie's for all)

Whilst the difficult we can do immediately, the impossible takes a bit longer. However, miracles you will have to wait for.

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#2707990 15-May-2021 15:33

alasta:

Fred99:

I'd be very surprised if we don't end up at Level 2-3 for "periods" during opening up, but that's going to depend on vaccine take-up rates and vaccine efficacy at the time. Using a crystal ball to make critical decisions now is dumb.

I am struggling to understand why we would open up at all in that scenario. It would trash our events and hospitality industries and, as someone else has already pointed out, there aren't many tourists who would want to take the risk of coming here if they are potentially going to be under those sorts of restrictions.

I can understand why we might introduce some limited quarantine free travel on compassionate grounds, but completely opening up to the whole world doesn't make sense to me.

Totally agree. And we just shouldn't open the borders to all and sundry. Documented proof of vaccination should be required for entry.

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#2707999 15-May-2021 16:47

cshwone:

Totally agree. And we just shouldn't open the borders to all and sundry. Documented proof of vaccination should be required for entry.

Which would deny re-entry to everyone vaccinated in NZ:

A man planning to travel to Thailand in the next few weeks is frustrated a system to prove he has been fully vaccinated against Covid-19 is not yet available.
A spokesperson for Covid-19 Response Minister Chris Hipkins said no system of official confirmation of vaccination against Covid, “no kind of vaccine passport”, had been developed yet. Several ministers and agencies were looking closely at the matter ... the spokesperson said ... [his] understanding was that the Ministry of Transport was working with airlines, airports and other countries on the matter, and was looking at what technology might be used, possibly an app or something in a passport.
The Ministry of Health would facilitate the health data part of the process.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/125143240/kiwi-planning-to-travel-to-thailand-frustrated-at-lack-of-covid-vaccine-proof

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#2708002 15-May-2021 17:15

PolicyGuy:

A man planning to travel to Thailand in the next few weeks is frustrated a system to prove he has been fully vaccinated against Covid-19 is not yet available.

It makes no difference anyway whether he's vaccinated, if he wants to go to Thailand, he'll need to pay for approved quarantine, and have $100k minimum health insurance cover which includes C-19 cover.

https://www.thaiembassy.com/travel-to-thailand/covid-19-guide-for-travelers-in-thailand

Starting May 6, 2021 the Thai government has restored the mandatory quarantine of 14 days for unvaccinated and vaccinated Thai and foreign travelers.
The Thai Embassies and Consulates are now issuing Certificate of Entry to enter Thailand including those nationalities under Visa Exemption list.
The ASQ Hotel reservation and COVID 19 Insurance are required for foreigners entering Thailand.

Stuff should check these things out before writing sob stories with clickbait headlines that read as if it's a failure of NZ systems. It took me a minute to find out the requirements, and I'm not getting paid.

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#2708015 15-May-2021 18:04

Fred99:

I'd be very surprised if we don't end up at Level 2-3 for "periods" during opening up, but that's going to depend on vaccine take-up rates and vaccine efficacy at the time. Using a crystal ball to make critical decisions now is dumb.

I feel that too. We have been on a tight strategy, effectively eliminating Covid from here at the border. When we open up, we will be allowing Covid in. If every incoming person was vaccinated, its not 100% effective so say it was 80% effective, 20% may still carry it. Of those that are vaccinated, 100% can still be infected (nose and throat) so they can still bring it in and spread it. So, its free entry for Covid. Now, most of us will be protected. BUT 1 of 5 (at 80% effectiveness) wont be. Then there are the anti vaxxers, then there are the under 16yo's. (yes, they are better off but they have also died, as have the odd baby)

So, it becomes and endemic malady. Its everywhere in NZ, and it can spread, but the vaccine helps most of us. But some will die.

I don't get from an article last day or so, that if it comes in when we open up, we will look to contact tracing and scanning. How can that work when "its not here" so we dont scan. As is the case now.

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