2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2437423 13-Mar-2020 10:44

Pasifika Canceled

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120245733/coronavirus-auckland-pasifika-festival-cancelled-over-covid19-fears

Holding any event with large number of attendees seems ethically dubious at this stage.

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#2437425 13-Mar-2020 10:50

tdgeek:

Sport is only sport but that's being shut down day by day.

NBA basketball is off, serious doubts about Major League Baseball starting

The NZ and Australian hockey teams both cancelled trips to Europe

Australian F1 GP looks like it's off even though the full three-ring circus is already in Melbourne and FP1 was due to start in about four hours time from now. Bahrain GP is supposed to be a no-spectators event, may yet be called off. China & Vietnam 'postponed'.
Should I cancel or suspend my Spark Sport subscription?

Highlanders game against Jaguares in Argentina is to be played with no spectators, the Sunwolves already played a 'home' game in Woollongong. There's got to be a big question mark about future Super Rugby games.

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#2437426 13-Mar-2020 10:50

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Pasifika Canceled

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120245733/coronavirus-auckland-pasifika-festival-cancelled-over-covid19-fears

Holding any event with large number of attendees seems ethically dubious at this stage.

Goff has overruled MoH, thats ok, I have no issue with that. To promote a consistent message, you need to do the same for any "situation" that has large crowds, and that goes beyond events. CBD, public transport, rugby games, anywhere where people are close knit. That covers a lot of peopl in a lot of situations

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#2437428 13-Mar-2020 10:51

tdgeek:

I feel the economic outlook will be worse than the late 80's. Sport is only sport but thats being shut down day by day. many politicians are infected or exposed. Shares down 10% yesterday in Europe, USA COVID-19 in tatters. I feel that 2020 will be only about this virus ands its medical and vast economic effect. A lot has already fallen apart globally.

Not sure.

To our advantage, I think most large NZ business is (or was) reasonably sound - unlike the mid '80s where NZ's boom featured a remarkable number of large ponzi schemes inevitably destined to collapse spectacularly. The NZ markets are performing much better (should say "less worse") than anywhere else - so far during this collapse. I think we've only just hit the level of a technical bear market this morning. Welcome to the party.

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#2437432 13-Mar-2020 11:02

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tdgeek:

I feel the economic outlook will be worse than the late 80's. Sport is only sport but thats being shut down day by day. many politicians are infected or exposed. Shares down 10% yesterday in Europe, USA COVID-19 in tatters. I feel that 2020 will be only about this virus ands its medical and vast economic effect. A lot has already fallen apart globally.

Not sure.

To our advantage, I think most large NZ business is (or was) reasonably sound - unlike the mid '80s where NZ's boom featured a remarkable number of large ponzi schemes inevitably destined to collapse spectacularly. The NZ markets are performing much better (should say "less worse") than anywhere else - so far during this collapse. I think we've only just hit the level of a technical bear market this morning. Welcome to the party.

Yeah. Early on in this thread you said it would/could get really bad, that wasn't my opinion. You were right.

Internally, while I feel we can be better than many other countries, and weather the storm, economically, so many of us will be affected by the lack of goods from overseas. it doesnt matter if I cant buy a Skilsaw, but its the jobs that sell those skilsaws that will be affected. There is a lot of stuff we dont manufacture. However, we do manufacture food, so thats a big plus. Im unsure how many necessities we dont make here. On the basis that overseas production will be severly impacted.

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#2437433 13-Mar-2020 11:02

The statements that the officials have been making that "can likely only catch from people showing symptoms" might not be backed up by the scientific evidence.

Pre-prints (so not properly peer reviewed, although starting to see independent work showing the same results):

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.05.20031815v1

"The proportion of pre-symptomatic transmission was 48% (95%CI 32-67%) for Singapore and 62% (95%CI 50-76%) for Tianjin, China"

https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(20)30119-3/pdf

"The median serial interval is shorter than the median incubation period, suggesting a substantial proportion of pre-symptomatic transmission."

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#2437445 13-Mar-2020 11:02

i just realised that by wearing glasses for 40 odd years i have become accustomed to not touching my eyes , nose or face.So for once im glad i have glasses 😃

Common sense is not as common as you think.

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#2437448 13-Mar-2020 11:07

tdgeek:

I feel the economic outlook will be worse than the late 80's. Sport is only sport but thats being shut down day by day. many politicians are infected or exposed. Shares down 10% yesterday in Europe, USA COVID-19 in tatters. I feel that 2020 will be only about this virus ands its medical and vast economic effect. A lot has already fallen apart globally.

The 80s was much much worse. With the closures of meat processing plants and the close down of our motor vehicle assembly plants in the Wellington region, Thames, Auckland, Nelson and Wanganui. I spent most weeks travelling around factories, meat works, car assembly plants and associated businesses telling thousands of folk what the future holds on benefit and what the then Department of Social Welfare can do for them. It was a very stressful, soul destroying task standing in front of a thousand people telling them what they could be paid and what the like scenarios for work etc were, there was virtually none. I admit there were days I just could not do but continued as I really felt for these folk, it was devastating. Many times I actually cried trying to do this. Many towns never recovered, families were uprooted, broken up and the human cost was huge.

This was spread over most of the decade and affects of all this is still being felt.

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#2437450 13-Mar-2020 11:09

Stop talking about touching faces, it is making my nose, ears and head itch dammit . Stop it say. Dammit now I am itchy. grrrrrrrrrrrr

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#2437454 13-Mar-2020 11:14

tdgeek:

Goff has overruled MoH, thats ok, I have no issue with that. To promote a consistent message, you need to do the same for any "situation" that has large crowds, and that goes beyond events. CBD, public transport, rugby games, anywhere where people are close knit. That covers a lot of peopl in a lot of situations

Personally I think recreational / entertainment / feel good type events, should be the first to go.

Things like cultural festivals, Fans at sports stadiums, Stage shows, Giant memorials.

These will have a relatively small economic impact, for a large gain in social distancing.

With regards to things like restricting the CBD to only residents, and stopping public transport, would have a massive economic impact for increase in social distancing.

That said, official guidance to work from home if possible, and to avoid crowded places & public transport could increase social distancing with minimal economic impact.

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#2437457 13-Mar-2020 11:17

PolicyGuy:

tdgeek:

Sport is only sport but that's being shut down day by day.

NBA basketball is off, serious doubts about Major League Baseball starting

The NZ and Australian hockey teams both cancelled trips to Europe

Australian F1 GP looks like it's off even though the full three-ring circus is already in Melbourne and FP1 was due to start in about four hours time from now. Bahrain GP is supposed to be a no-spectators event, may yet be called off. China & Vietnam 'postponed'.
Should I cancel or suspend my Spark Sport subscription?

Highlanders game against Jaguares in Argentina is to be played with no spectators, the Sunwolves already played a 'home' game in Woollongong. There's got to be a big question mark about future Super Rugby games.

😭 😭 😭

No crowd at Australian GP
Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews ... has said a decision about cancelling the Australian Grand Prix will soon be made, but at the very least, no spectators will be allowed at the Australian Grand Prix. He says race authorities will make a full statement [by noon NZ time]. There is still a chance the entire event will be cancelled.

Cricket ODIs Australia vs. NZ
Australia's men's cricket team is about to play three ODIs against New Zealand over the next week, the first of which is being played in Sydney tonight. [Cricket Australia] has just confirmed those matches will go ahead, but behind closed doors.

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#2437458 13-Mar-2020 11:20

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The 80s was much much worse. With the closures of meat processing plants and the close down of our motor vehicle assembly plants in the Wellington region, Thames, Auckland, Nelson and Wanganui. I spent most weeks travelling around factories, meat works, car assembly plants and associated businesses telling thousands of folk what the future holds on benefit and what the then Department of Social Welfare can do for them. It was a very stressful, soul destroying task standing in front of a thousand people telling them what they could be paid and what the like scenarios for work etc were, there was virtually none. I admit there were days I just could not do but continued as I really felt for these folk, it was devastating. Many times I actually cried trying to do this. Many towns never recovered, families were uprooted, broken up and the human cost was huge.

This was spread over most of the decade and affects of all this is still being felt.

Maybe you are right. But you can't say the 80s was much worse as we haven't had the "20's" yet :-)

I guess if China can produce and ship here, and we can export therem that would change everything in our favour, but if the globe has to self isolate for months on end, well that will cripple everything, job losses high, economic activity will crawl. We are due to a GFC correction bit I feel a forced shutdown/slowdown globally by the virus will be worse. It will be a physical shutdown, not a money shutdown.

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#2437462 13-Mar-2020 11:29

Scott3:

Personally I think recreational / entertainment / feel good type events, should be the first to go.

Things like cultural festivals, Fans at sports stadiums, Stage shows, Giant memorials.

These will have a relatively small economic impact, for a large gain in social distancing.

With regards to things like restricting the CBD to only residents, and stopping public transport, would have a massive economic impact for increase in social distancing.

That said, official guidance to work from home if possible, and to avoid crowded places & public transport could increase social distancing with minimal economic impact.

I get that. Bur what you are saying is festivals aren't worth the risk, but crowded CBD, public transport etc etc etc are worth the risk. Plus these scenarios are daily not one offs

IMO NZ is very low risk, we "may" only have 5 cases, if thats the case we are clean, so we can be BAU and take it day by day. Bear in mind that my overall stabce in an outbreak is go hard on self isolate, i.e. more aggressive than most. Its been 5 or so days sinec the last of the 5 we have. There shouidl be noise about their contacts getting sick. Its getting closer an closer to we dodged a bullet, at leasts so far. Id like all border enry where you need to self islate to be told you MUST and we will register you right now and keep an eye on you. The border is maybe our last loophole

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#2437465 13-Mar-2020 11:37

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No crowd at Australian GP
Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews ... has said a decision about cancelling the Australian Grand Prix will soon be made, but at the very least, no spectators will be allowed at the Australian Grand Prix. He says race authorities will make a full statement [by noon NZ time]. There is still a chance the entire event will be cancelled.

Cricket ODIs Australia vs. NZ
Australia's men's cricket team is about to play three ODIs against New Zealand over the next week, the first of which is being played in Sydney tonight. [Cricket Australia] has just confirmed those matches will go ahead, but behind closed doors.

F1.com has nothing at all on the postponement or the issue. Going by that and below, whatever has been decided is 99% decided at best, Id say the question has been, "ok we can postpone, but we are hear, and other sports play no crowds so why can't F1 play no crowds?" The issue has been unfair on the cancelled team, but maybe they can award them some points based on testing??

Australian Grand Prix boss Paul Little insists the Formula One season-opener is going ahead despite multiple reports the race will be cancelled due to coronavirus.

The McLaren team has withdrawn from the event in Melbourne after a team member tested positive for coronavirus.

Despite widespread media reports overnight that the race won't proceed, Little has told the Nine network on Friday that the grand prix is going ahead.

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#2437469 13-Mar-2020 11:48

tdgeek:

F1.com has nothing at all on the postponement or the issue. Going by that and below, whatever has been decided is 99% decided at best, Id say the question has been, "ok we can postpone, but we are hear, and other sports play no crowds so why can't F1 play no crowds?" The issue has been unfair on the cancelled team, but maybe they can award them some points based on testing??

The fans are already there. They have already stood in big lines at the gates within cms of each other. This is an abhorrent dereliction of duty of care to the fans.

This should have been cancelled as soon as the pandemic was called. This is so so much worse than Indy 2005. The safety of drivers, crews, fans etc has been put at risk through a total failure of leadership.

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