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  #2437518 13-Mar-2020 12:44
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Since when did covid-19 become a reason to send me spam mail? Since this morning is the answer.




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  #2437520 13-Mar-2020 12:49
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I wouldn't mind a couple of weeks of quarantine at home if I were alone. Plenty of books, games, study, gardening, etc. to catch up on.

 

 

 

But the thought of weeks of quarantine at home with a toddler absolutely terrifies me.


 
 
 
 




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  #2437523 13-Mar-2020 12:51
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F1 is cancelled apparently. Who knows




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  #2437525 13-Mar-2020 12:53
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The lowest low on a shambolic day for Formula 1

 

"the gates ... were due to be opened at 08:45, as they waited to be allowed in. The gates remained closed, information communicated was sketchy at best, before the call was issued by the government not to let any fans in. By which time a large group of people had congregated in a confined space, having used public transport, as well as all manner of other outlets such as hotels, cafes, restaurants etc
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Finally, at 10am local time, a statement was issued by Formula 1 and the FIA, in which the race’s cancellation was finally confirmed"

 

https://www.motorsportweek.com/2020/03/12/the-lowest-low-on-a-shambolic-day-for-formula-1/ 

 


Edit: bigger quote, emphasising risk to fans


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  #2437532 13-Mar-2020 13:17
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PolicyGuy:

 

The lowest low on a shambolic day for Formula 1

 

"the gates ... were due to be opened at 08:45, as they waited to be allowed in. The gates remained closed, information communicated was sketchy at best, before the call was issued by the government not to let any fans in. By which time a large group of people had congregated in a confined space, having used public transport, as well as all manner of other outlets such as hotels, cafes, restaurants etc
 ... 
Finally, at 10am local time, a statement was issued by Formula 1 and the FIA, in which the race’s cancellation was finally confirmed"

 

https://www.motorsportweek.com/2020/03/12/the-lowest-low-on-a-shambolic-day-for-formula-1/ 

 


Edit: bigger quote, emphasising risk to fans

 

 

There was on-track action yesterday. They've done this already. This is day two. It's already days too late.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-h_xgdM8FI

 

I keep coming back to this in my mind. Except, you know, without the nuclear bomb. 


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  #2437533 13-Mar-2020 13:22
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cddt:

 

I wouldn't mind a couple of weeks of quarantine at home if I were alone. Plenty of books, games, study, gardening, etc. to catch up on.

 

 

 

But the thought of weeks of quarantine at home with a toddler absolutely terrifies me.

 

Imagine that if your kids were teenagers! 





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  #2437535 13-Mar-2020 13:25
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Handsomedan:

 

cddt:

 

I wouldn't mind a couple of weeks of quarantine at home if I were alone. Plenty of books, games, study, gardening, etc. to catch up on.

 

 

 

But the thought of weeks of quarantine at home with a toddler absolutely terrifies me.

 

Imagine that if your kids were teenagers! 

 

 

dont have to imagine ,i have 3 of them at home , it's like Quarantine already.





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  #2437537 13-Mar-2020 13:28
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GV27:

 

There was on-track action yesterday. They've done this already. This is day two. It's already days too late. 

 

 

Yes, they should have cancelled as soon as northern Italy went into lock-down a week ago.
Allowing Ferrari - and probably the other Ferrari-engined teams - to travel after that was, in my view, reckless.

 

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  #2437541 13-Mar-2020 13:32
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A concern?  Apparently recovered patients later returning multiple positive tests.  Small numbers but well studied.  And being medical professions likely receive better treatment than average?

 

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2762452


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  #2437544 13-Mar-2020 13:33
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120246601/coronavirus-jacinda-ardern-wont-rule-out-more-travel-restrictions

 

"Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern will not rule out travel restrictions from any country with Covid-19 cases, with decisions expected in the next 48 hours. '

 

But banning flights was not so simple, as medicines were transported into New Zealand on passenger planes, she said."

 

 

 

That second sentience I have quoted it quite telling.

 

No planes flights come non-stop from Europe to hear due to range limitations. As such other locations (USA?) are likely being consider for restrictions.

 

In addition we have yet to ban flights from anywhere, merely we banned foreign nationals (excl air / sea crew) from entering if they had been in Iran or mainland china in the last 14 days.... Considering banning flights is a dramatic change from this.
 


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  #2437552 13-Mar-2020 14:00
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Scott3:

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120246601/coronavirus-jacinda-ardern-wont-rule-out-more-travel-restrictions

 

"Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern will not rule out travel restrictions from any country with Covid-19 cases, with decisions expected in the next 48 hours. '

 

But banning flights was not so simple, as medicines were transported into New Zealand on passenger planes, she said."

 

That second sentience I have quoted it quite telling.

 

No planes flights come non-stop from Europe to hear due to range limitations. As such other locations (USA?) are likely being consider for restrictions.

 

In addition we have yet to ban flights from anywhere, merely we banned foreign nationals (excl air / sea crew) from entering if they had been in Iran or mainland china in the last 14 days.... Considering banning flights is a dramatic change from this.
 

 

 

 

 

No . but when the people stop coming,  the planes stop flying, (there used to be 45 flights a week from China, its now 8-11 or lower)

 

With EU-US travel restricted, trans Atlantic airfreight will slump (sure the logistics companies, Fedex, UPS etc, will continue) but they are only a small portion of Capacity,

 

So with routes through Asia Restricted, (reductions or cancelations from China/Korea/Japan/Tawiwan/Singapore etc

 

The only clear route is via the Mid east, , if we restrict EU travellers, its likely capacity on these routes will fall as well...

 

 

 

 

 

Hence the concern about air freighted medicines (which are around $1 billion a year, with 80%  from Europe)

 

 




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  #2437553 13-Mar-2020 14:02
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A concern?  Apparently recovered patients later returning multiple positive tests.  Small numbers but well studied.  And being medical professions likely receive better treatment than average?


https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2762452



There are 1 or 2 questions

1. Are these fellas infectious

2. If yes what do you do with them

You see we don't swab people after their chicken pox or their measles or name any disease.

But this one we publish a lot of data.

If I were you I won't lose sleep over it.

Data only means something if you know how to inteprete.

If this gets out of hand eventually we will all develop herd immunity as the highly deadly strain burns itself out and we are left with the milder one. Once everybody gets herd immunity it will then become another flu.

Maybe....




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  #2437559 13-Mar-2020 14:26
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wellygary:

 

Scott3:

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120246601/coronavirus-jacinda-ardern-wont-rule-out-more-travel-restrictions

 

"Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern will not rule out travel restrictions from any country with Covid-19 cases, with decisions expected in the next 48 hours. '

 

But banning flights was not so simple, as medicines were transported into New Zealand on passenger planes, she said."

 

That second sentience I have quoted it quite telling.

 

No planes flights come non-stop from Europe to hear due to range limitations. As such other locations (USA?) are likely being consider for restrictions.

 

In addition we have yet to ban flights from anywhere, merely we banned foreign nationals (excl air / sea crew) from entering if they had been in Iran or mainland china in the last 14 days.... Considering banning flights is a dramatic change from this.
 

 

 

 

 

No . but when the people stop coming,  the planes stop flying, (there used to be 45 flights a week from China, its now 8-11 or lower)

 

With EU-US travel restricted, trans Atlantic airfreight will slump (sure the logistics companies, Fedex, UPS etc, will continue) but they are only a small portion of Capacity,

 

So with routes through Asia Restricted, (reductions or cancelations from China/Korea/Japan/Tawiwan/Singapore etc

 

The only clear route is via the Mid east, , if we restrict EU travellers, its likely capacity on these routes will fall as well...

 

 

 

 

 

Hence the concern about air freighted medicines (which are around $1 billion a year, with 80%  from Europe)

 

 

 



Banning flights was explicitly mentioned, rather than airlines opting not to run them, but outright banning of flights seems very unlikely as it would have a major impact on air freight, and the ability for New Zealaner to return home.

Assuming any future travel restrictions are of the same as Iran & China, I wouldn't be too concerned about high value air freight like medicines begin stranded.

Due to less passenger flights, the world is awash with cheap oil (and Jet A1), plus there are abundant aircraft and crew available. If freight is high enough value, some airlines might passenger plains with few passengers just to be able to sell the hold capacity. Potentially airlines could remove sections of seats, and use that area for cargo too (like Chatham air does) - Would need to be hand loaded.

 

 

 

If the issue is purely pharmac medicines, potentially we would have our air-force collect the shipment. Our 757's have been modified with a proper cargo door and strengthened main deck.


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  #2437561 13-Mar-2020 14:31
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Scott3:

 

If the issue is purely pharmac medicines, potentially we would have our air-force collect the shipment. Our 757's have been modified with a proper cargo door and strengthened main deck.

 

 

If we  have to make a special flight to Europe with the Military for Pharmaceuticals, then it will be the least of our concerns as it will mean that global commerce has completely ground to a halt..... and hundred of millions will likely die from a lack of food....

 

 

 

 


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  #2437566 13-Mar-2020 15:07
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Scott3:

 

Banning flights was explicitly mentioned, rather than airlines opting not to run them, but outright banning of flights seems very unlikely as it would have a major impact on air freight, and the ability for New Zealaner to return home.

Assuming any future travel restrictions are of the same as Iran & China, I wouldn't be too concerned about high value air freight like medicines begin stranded.

Due to less passenger flights, the world is awash with cheap oil (and Jet A1), plus there are abundant aircraft and crew available. If freight is high enough value, some airlines might passenger plains with few passengers just to be able to sell the hold capacity. Potentially airlines could remove sections of seats, and use that area for cargo too (like Chatham air does) - Would need to be hand loaded.

 

 

 

If the issue is purely pharmac medicines, potentially we would have our air-force collect the shipment. Our 757's have been modified with a proper cargo door and strengthened main deck.

 

 

I think she got confused. Stuff reported "Banning more flights into NZ is complicated by the fact medicines are transported on passenger planes, PM says."

 

You can't ban more flights unless we aready banned flights. I think she meant travel bans like from China and Iran. People not planes?


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