2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2743494 13-Jul-2021 08:12

Fred99:

The Netherlands. Almost 40% fully vaccinated, extrapolating total doses, probably ~60% have had at lest one dose.

But look at the virus go. Steeper exponential growth than seen before, back to almost peak infection level in a couple of weeks:

Premier Rutte has now apologised for opening up too much too soon.

As an aside, I do wish that the skeptics (polite term for anti-vaxxers, conspiracy theorists and the likes) would learn to understand statistics. Graphs like this clearly show that lockdowns and vaccinations work.

After I was born, I didn't talk to my parents for two years.

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#2743498 13-Jul-2021 08:28

Israel starts administering third dose 'booster' shots of Pfizer vaccine to at-risk adults.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/300355787/covid19-israel-starts-administering-third-dose-booster-shots-of-pfizer-vaccine-to-atrisk-adults

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#2743500 13-Jul-2021 08:43

CDHB is being prodded for stat to backup the reports now. Looks like they think the group 1/2 estimates were blown out. But elsewhere has done a lot more of them

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/125720496/canterbury-covid19-vaccinators-overwhelmed-with-walkins-and-threats-to-staff

(H-D-A Opinion) https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/opinion/125723368/cdhb-vaccine-problems-show-why-dhb-model-cant-be-disbanded-soon-enough

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#2743506 13-Jul-2021 09:51

DS248:

Israel starts administering third dose 'booster' shots of Pfizer vaccine to at-risk adults.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/300355787/covid19-israel-starts-administering-third-dose-booster-shots-of-pfizer-vaccine-to-atrisk-adults

Not sure who acted first, but WHO:

Top officials at the World Health Organisation say there's not enough evidence to show that third doses of coronavirus vaccines are needed.

Instead, the organisation has appealed for the scarce shots to be shared with poor countries who have yet to immunise their people instead of being used by rich countries as boosters.

At a press briefing, WHO director-general Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said the world's grotesque vaccine disparity was driven by "greed", as he called on drugmakers to prioritise supplying their Covid-19 vaccines to poor countries instead of lobbying rich countries to use even more doses.

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#2743508 13-Jul-2021 09:55

Surprise, Surprise COVID spreads really well in closed quarters on fishing boats,

"The Ministry of Health has received confirmation of an additional 13 positive tests to COVID-19 for crew from the quarantined fishing vessel Viking Bay."

https://www.health.govt.nz/news-media/media-releases/viking-bay-crew-transferred-quarantine-facility-13-confirmed-covid-19-cases-border

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#2743509 13-Jul-2021 09:59

Fred99:

Not sure who acted first, but WHO:

To be Honest, the developed world stopped listening to the WHO a long time ago, particularly about COVID vaccines...

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#2743510 13-Jul-2021 10:01

wellygary:

Surprise, Surprise COVID spreads really well in closed quarters on fishing boats,

"The Ministry of Health has received confirmation of an additional 13 positive tests to COVID-19 for crew from the quarantined fishing vessel Viking Bay."

https://www.health.govt.nz/news-media/media-releases/viking-bay-crew-transferred-quarantine-facility-13-confirmed-covid-19-cases-border

Yep - probably not helped by Delta variant, where based on raw case numbers the NSW situation possibly looks even worse than it is because where they're finding one case in a household, almost everyone in the household tests positive. That wasn't happening to the same degree with earlier variants.

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#2743511 13-Jul-2021 10:14

wellygary:

Fred99:

Not sure who acted first, but WHO:

To be Honest, the developed world stopped listening to the WHO a long time ago, particularly about COVID vaccines...

Well to varying degree depending where you are, even within a nation if you're poor and that causes poor health outcomes, it always seems that nobody with control of the resources cares enough to do anything much about it.

WHO (and the UN) are cornered on that one, so politicisation of the abject failure to deal with the disparity in how we treat human lives by attacking the global organisation tasked to solve issues only makes matter worse.

I find it all very depressing on every level. The inability of first-world nations to deal with Covid gives me little hope for the future of humanity.

Remember the John Hopkins glowing reports on how the USA was best prepared in the world to deal with pandemic threat? It didn't work out that way. There's been failure everywhere.

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#2743522 13-Jul-2021 10:38

wellygary:

Surprise, Surprise COVID spreads really well in closed quarters on fishing boats,

"The Ministry of Health has received confirmation of an additional 13 positive tests to COVID-19 for crew from the quarantined fishing vessel Viking Bay."

https://www.health.govt.nz/news-media/media-releases/viking-bay-crew-transferred-quarantine-facility-13-confirmed-covid-19-cases-border

I may be reading this wrong but the news report states "Health officials said just over half of the crew have been at sea since February. Another nine crew members joined them after arriving in New Zealand last Monday, July 5, as part of a scheduled crew change."

Wouldn't that suggest the infection came from one of the nine crew members from NZ? Are those groups quarantined while awaiting transfer?

I'm supposed to respect my elders, but it's getting harder and harder for me to find one now.

wellygary

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#2743523 13-Jul-2021 10:42

peejayw:

wellygary:

Surprise, Surprise COVID spreads really well in closed quarters on fishing boats,

"The Ministry of Health has received confirmation of an additional 13 positive tests to COVID-19 for crew from the quarantined fishing vessel Viking Bay."

https://www.health.govt.nz/news-media/media-releases/viking-bay-crew-transferred-quarantine-facility-13-confirmed-covid-19-cases-border

I may be reading this wrong but the news report states "Health officials said just over half of the crew have been at sea since February. Another nine crew members joined them after arriving in New Zealand last Monday, July 5, as part of a scheduled crew change."

Wouldn't that suggest the infection came from one of the nine crew members from NZ? Are those groups quarantined while awaiting transfer?

Yes, we know this... the source case(s) is in the crew that were were driven from Auckland Airport to Port Taranaki last week to get on the boat....

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#2743574 13-Jul-2021 10:53

Here's the legislation which seems fine superficially:

https://legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2020/0240/latest/LMS403580.html

... but did they think it out properly - that it would be acceptable extra risk to transfer from Auckland to get on a boat in New Plymouth, and that if in this case the boat was leaving NZ waters for deep sea fishing, then what the hell do you do when NZ is still the nearest port, the ship's probably under contract to a NZ fishing company, and the big hole in the system allowed it to turn into a literal "plague ship"?

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#2743579 13-Jul-2021 11:11

NSW seems poised to announce another increase in cases.

According to the SMH, the deputy premier stated they haven't hit the peak, and that stay at home orders are "weeks in the making".

Victoria have announced one CT case - household contact of one of the two infected removalists who came from NSW. They're confident they've got this outbreak ringfenced.

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#2743584 13-Jul-2021 11:19

150+

Fred99

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#2743587 13-Jul-2021 11:31

Rules are for thee - but not for me:

Four men from Sydney have been fined after lying on their border declarations to get into Queensland via a superyacht that costs up to $18,000 a day to hire.

The four men travelled to the state from Sydney last week, which is locked down because of an ongoing COVID outbreak.

The men arrived at Southport marina on the Gold Coast via a 34-metre superyacht Dreamtime on July 7, before then travelling to Brisbane to watch the rugby test match at Lang Park.

Footnote: $4000 fines aren't designed to deter people like that.

Fred99

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#2743593 13-Jul-2021 11:47

tdgeek:

150+

Yeah - or maybe not.

The NSW Health Minister:

Chief Health Officer Kerry Chant yesterday said she was in "two minds" about whether today's numbers would be higher, but if they were, it didn't necessarily indicate the outbreak was worsening.

"The numbers are a bit variable because we have to interpret about whether we are getting to people early," she said.

If and when numbers start falling, then the choir starts singing the song "let's party again".

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