Well that's going rogue/against the MoH advice...

I just noticed mine was actually 4 weeks. Or rather, 3 after kick-in period? 3rd-24th. But a week later, have a $2 sized yellow bruise.

I wonder if that change to an 8 week gap will lead to an opening of/push for bookings of first doses to more people?

Probably depends on if they rebook future second dose bookings to align to 8 weeks, or when we reach that ‘lull’ between 3 week gaps and 8 week gaps. 

sbiddle:
Right now there is a lot of uncertainty, and that's not something that's going to be able to continue. They're going to need to actually make tough decisions within the next couple of months because both businesses and individuals at some point need some certainty.

I don't expect certainty as that's unrealistic - things will change. I would like clarity in what the process they will follow will look like.

At the moment it's guesses and interpretation of vague statements that are designed not to upset anyone at the expense of not saying much.

I think we are going to need to require people get vaccinated. If we don't then we are going to need to increase our hospital capacity and ICU beds significantly. NZ hospitals already normally run at full capacity, and it seems if you get vaccinated, the chances of then needing an ICU bed if you catch it are very very low. Paying people in some way to get it is also another way to get more uptake. But some tough decisions on this need to be made. Essentially it is in our own hands.

  It appears that to travel overseas it will be mandatory, and we are likely going to require any Australians coming to NZ to be vaccinated. IMO it should apply to anyone returning to NZ as of now, that they have been fully vaccinated, even though they will still need to stay in an isolation hotel. 

Quite a frank admission, and something that's become pretty clear in recent weeks. Shows Skegg's comments yesterday that elimination is still maintainable is potentially no longer relevant in this Delta world.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/herd-immunity-mythical-goal-will-never-reached-says-oxford-vaccine/ 

KrazyKid: Not really. RNZ is reporting this evening that cabinet is expected to announce tomorrow (12/8) that the recommended gap is now 8 weeks. Sounds like this advice has got to the GPs already

morrisk:

 

I was due for my second vaccination tomorrow morning. This afternoon had a txt from my doctors surgery where I had my first vaccination saying that recommendation was now for an 8 week gap rather than 3. They had provided the new appointment time for the 8 week gap and asked that I just reply Y if I was OK with the new time.

 

Very easy and very efficient. 

 

This is what I was recommended as well. Honestly I'm not sure if me and my fiancée should or should not. I'm more of the opinion of I want to get it over and done with and protect ourselves against others. If there's more protection by delaying it doesn't this also carry the risk of not getting supply when people go for the second shot? Doesn't this also cause more hesitation because people are looking at stats of our vaccination uptake? 

I am probably thinking about this too hard and worrying too much but I really just want to get my second shot in the 3 weeks I originally set and just leave it at that.

Batman:

 

Seymour wants us to open up next year

 

Nawww... Seymour wants publicity (which he's been very successful with since the last election campaign). If the Govt had said it was planning to open up next year, he would have wanted it this year. If the Govt subsequently says it will open up next year, he will claim it was all his idea.

MaxineN:

 

This is what I was recommended as well. Honestly I'm not sure if me and my fiancée should or should not. I'm more of the opinion of I want to get it over and done with and protect ourselves against others. If there's more protection by delaying it doesn't this also carry the risk of not getting supply when people go for the second shot? Doesn't this also cause more hesitation because people are looking at stats of our vaccination uptake? 

 

I am probably thinking about this too hard and worrying too much but I really just want to get my second shot in the 3 weeks I originally set and just leave it at that.

 

That's where I am at too, first jab is this avo. If 8 weeks is better that's good, but when we get CT here and I'm just one jab in, not so good. No CT in 8 weeks, I'd wish I'd waited, CT here in 4 weeks, I'd be glad to got both done, hard to know

I've had contact with some extended family members recently. Two said not sure if they will get it, another laughed and said no way. The former two haven't been following it. A colleague who says nah. A mate who says dunno. They arent all anti-vaxxers (maybe the BIL is) but I just get the feeling that as we arent being bombarded with Covid news daily, that the lack of knowledge means that for some it's last years news. Makes me feel that the 77% who will and 23% who wont thats been quoted, is probably right. When we get CT here some will see the need 

sbiddle:

 

Quite a frank admission, and something that's become pretty clear in recent weeks. Shows Skegg's comments yesterday that elimination is still maintainable is potentially no longer relevant in this Delta world.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/herd-immunity-mythical-goal-will-never-reached-says-oxford-vaccine/ 

 

Sure.

Put yourself in the position where you get to decide when to abandon the elimination strategy:

• The consequence of abandoning it is that you're certainly condemning vulnerable people to death.
• A mitigating circumstance is that if it's inevitable that the disease is going to get here anyway and become endemic, then they're going to die anyway. 
• An aggravating circumstance is that there will be preventative measures (better vaccines etc) or treatments (monoclonal antibodies, antivirals) available, but you don't know when they'll arrive.

Now see if you can create a morally sound argument for abandoning the elimination strategy when it has been working - at a cost of course - but we're far from being in the position of throwing people out of  lifeboat so others can survive.

The UK is in a completely different position than NZ.

There is a wellington panel underway that is about to wrap up. Didn't realise it had been going for an hour.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/126035744/live-government-reveals-plan-to-reconnect-nz-to-the-world-amid-covid-pandemic 

Looks like open slather on first doses from 1 September (anyone 16+ can book first dose).

Gap extended to 6 weeks by default.

Oblivian:

 

There is a wellington panel underway that is about to wrap up. Didn't realise it had been going for an hour.

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/126035744/live-government-reveals-plan-to-reconnect-nz-to-the-world-amid-covid-pandemic 

 

 

 

It was very good

And now the PM is responding.

And yep. As above, wider age bands. 40+ from 18th. 25th 30+, 1 sep ALL remaining.

And the advise if you have a 2nd booked now, don't change it. Only new bookings (I can see an overlap issue if we all did currently)