Sydney NSW 2021 is going to end up being worse that Victoria 2020.

I know Delta is worse but really, 'Did they learn nothing?'

Buster:

 

Sydney NSW 2021 is going to end up being worse that Victoria 2020.

 

I know Delta is worse but really, 'Did they learn nothing?'

 

What would you learn from the Shock Jocks and Rupert Murdock media popular there ?
Guess they learn well if not wisely.

Buster:

 

Sydney NSW 2021 is going to end up being worse that Victoria 2020.

 

I know Delta is worse but really, 'Did they learn nothing?'

 

ACT has, one CT, 7 day lockdown

Buster:

 

Sydney NSW 2021 is going to end up being worse that Victoria 2020.

 

I know Delta is worse but really, 'Did they learn nothing?'

 

Pretty much No. It seems to have been political. Even now their lockdown seems to be more of a lockdown lite. I can't see how they can currently eliminate it based on the numbers, unless they do a far stricter level 4 type lockdown like NZ for a month at least.  So they are going to have to rely on vaccination. Yet if they had locked down far earlier and stricter they could have eliminated it and saved lives, and saved billions of dollars. It is a mess and NZ has been let down too by this, because it resulted in the bubble being closed, costing businesses in NZ money too. .

tdgeek:

 

Buster:

 

Sydney NSW 2021 is going to end up being worse that Victoria 2020.

 

I know Delta is worse but really, 'Did they learn nothing?'

 

 

ACT has, one CT, 7 day lockdown

 

If NZ gets one, and it can't be traced back to anywhere, then we will also go into a lockdown. But IMO that could possibly be avoided if people were scanning. Didn't see anyone scanning at supermarket yesterday. 

My guess is when we do get another local case, and it causes a lockdown, then the government will make it compulsory to scan. I recall they did say they were looking into making it compulsory some time ago.  But that is ambulance at the bottom of the cliff. If they made it compulsory now, then we could prevent a lockdown, as scanning is needed for contact tracing. If they don't have the data for tracing, then a lockdown could be  needed. I think people quickly forget how inconvenient and costly lockdowns are. If a lockdown occurs, it will cost NZ billions and then QE may start up again, and we could end up with house prices rising quickly again. The wealthy seem to benefit when there is a crisis. Am seeing quite a few houses that people purchased after the lockdown , then rented out and now back on the market, speculating, asking $250k profit. The government also benefits because there is a good amount of tax on that.

mattwnz:

 

If NZ gets one, and it can't be traced back to anywhere, then we will also go into a lockdown. But IMO that could possibly be avoided if people were scanning. Didn't see anyone scanning at supermarket yesterday. 

 

Fixed that for you.

Eva888: 

I can’t see this new plan for opening up working unless they do put monitored bracelets on folks quarantining at home. The howls of outrage will be deafening. There will always be the smart alec who breaks the rules and goes out and how do you monitor someone breaking in to visit...will they wrap the house in yellow quarantine tape, or have a guard at the door? Unconscionable people will find a way to escape the rules if they are inclined.

I was reading an epidemiologist who said, 'think of the delta variant as like wafting smoke,' which explains why it’s so easy to catch.

I remember when we first got people self isolating at home, and the officials saying that they would be checked up on. But that didn't stop people flouting it, and the virus getting out into the community causing the lockdowns. I think people forget that that is why NZ ended up in lockdown the first time.

They have said the same thing this time, and they will be checking on people, but unless they have some form of surveillance, it is impossible. You only need a few people flouting, and it will get out. Ankle bracelets are a good idea, and we have those systems in place, so they can stop people leaving their self isolation area. But that doesn't stop people visiting those people, catching the virus, and then spreading it in the community. That is one of the big reasons for MIQ.

mattwnz:

 

 

 

If NZ gets one, and it can't be traced back to anywhere, then we will also go into a lockdown. But IMO that could possibly be avoided if people were scanning. Didn't see anyone scanning at supermarket yesterday. 

 

My guess is when we do get another local case, and it causes a lockdown, then the government will make it compulsory to scan. I recall they did say they were looking into making it compulsory some time ago.  But that is ambulance at the bottom of the cliff. If they made it compulsory now, then we could prevent a lockdown, as scanning is needed for contact tracing. If they don't have the data for tracing, then a lockdown could be  needed.

 

Agree. We had to wear seatbelts, now its habit. We adapt to new flight rules since 9/11. When you buy bubble gum at the dairy, you scan at the counter as well as get your card out, simple. If Covid 19 (which is SARS 2.0) is brought under control, there will be another and another. Scanning needs to stay, as its a health and economy measure and as the world now is connected and crowded, its a viral paradise, we just wait for the next one. It will be endemic, but a new strain can pop up just like that so we will always be chasing this I feel

Edit

If we get one case it will be instant lockdown, not tracing. Delta changes that. Lock the gate first then look for any sheep outside it, then there is no more sheep leaking out the gate while you look for the others

tdgeek:

 

mattwnz:

 

If NZ gets one, and it can't be traced back to anywhere, then we will also go into a lockdown. But IMO that could possibly be avoided if people were scanning. Didn't see anyone scanning at supermarket yesterday. 

 

 

If we get one case it will be instant lockdown, not tracing. Delta changes that. Lock the gate first then look for any sheep outside it, then there is no more sheep leaking out the gate while you look for the others

 

I'm watching ACT as an example of how it could go..

They found 1 case yesterday, by the end of the day it was 4,  They have another 2 today, including one unlinked....

The 7 day lock down started last night... lets see how it impacts case numbers, ( although ACT's vax numbers are about double ours, 52% partial, 28% fully, )

wellygary:

 

 

 

I'm watching ACT as an example of how it could go..

 

They found 1 case yesterday, by the end of the day it was 4,  They have another 2 today, including one unlinked....

 

The 7 day lock down started last night... lets see how it impacts case numbers, ( although ACT's vax numbers are about double ours, 52% partial, 28% fully, )

 

 

 

Are they doing a good Lockdown 4?

tdgeek:

 

wellygary:

 

I'm watching ACT as an example of how it could go..

 

They found 1 case yesterday, by the end of the day it was 4,  They have another 2 today, including one unlinked....

 

The 7 day lock down started last night... lets see how it impacts case numbers, ( although ACT's vax numbers are about double ours, 52% partial, 28% fully, )

 

 

Are they doing a good Lockdown 4?

 

It looks like its about 3.5 

Food service can do take away, but most other retail  is closed (although they suffer the habitual ozzy softness for allowing Bunnings to remain open)

https://www.covid19.act.gov.au/act-status-and-response/lockdown

The Washington Post - FDA authorizes extra vaccine doses for immunocompromised patients to bolster protection against the coronavirus 

breaking 

Regulators took steps Thursday to shore up the defenses of millions of vulnerable Americans against the coronavirus, authorizing extra doses of two widely used vaccines for some people with weakened immune systems. ...

 

The FDA decision updated the emergency use authorizations for the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna coronavirus vaccines to say an additional dose could be given to some immunocompromised individuals, specifically organ transplant recipients and others with similar levels of immune-system impairment. 

 

(my bold)

EDIT: see also: The New York Times - Covid Live Updates: F.D.A. Authorizes Third Vaccine Dose for Immunocompromised

wellygary:

 

 

 

It looks like its about 3.5 

 

Food service can do take away, but most other retail  is closed (although they suffer the habitual ozzy softness for allowing Bunnings to remain open)

 

https://www.covid19.act.gov.au/act-status-and-response/lockdown

 

 

 

Thanks for that. Why won't they learn. Bunnings would be fine if it was online only. 

tdgeek:

 

 

 

If we get one case it will be instant lockdown, not tracing. Delta changes that. Lock the gate first then look for any sheep outside it, then there is no more sheep leaking out the gate while you look for the others

 

Wellington has already recently had 1 delta case in the community, but only went into level 3, to gauge if anyone else had caught it. But in that case the person had logged where they had been, and had then returned to Oz. It is why scanning is so important. Level 3 isn't really a lockdown.

mattwnz:

 

tdgeek:

 

 

 

If we get one case it will be instant lockdown, not tracing. Delta changes that. Lock the gate first then look for any sheep outside it, then there is no more sheep leaking out the gate while you look for the others

 

 

 

 

Wellington has already recently had 1 delta case in the community, but only went into level 3, to gauge if anyone else had caught it. But in that case the person had logged where they had been, and had then returned to Oz. It is why scanning is so important. Level 3 isn't really a lockdown.

 

Wellington also showed the massive fundamental flaw with our privacy based app model. Unlike Australia where the details of people who visit a location are known to contact tracers so they can then contact you, here in NZ that's not the case. All we can do is send out an app notification to people and in the words of the MoH "They then self-assess whether they or anyone they know has symptoms, and get in touch with Healthline if they do."

With zero ability to actually contact people directly who are identified as contacts via Bluetooth or because they've been to a location of interest, we're already on the back foot when it comes to quickly isolating people.