2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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Master Geek

#2767843 27-Aug-2021 20:21

GV27:

Set it up in a small town that we can napalm if it gets out into the community.

Problem with a small town is they don't have the big hotels or hospitals to support it. Could be a good chance to build a decent sized hotel and sell it off after. Kaikoura is getting a new 120 room one built.

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#2767844 27-Aug-2021 20:23

https://www.miq.govt.nz/about/media-centre/key-facts-and-figures/

Buster

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#2767846 27-Aug-2021 20:27

ajobbins:

Finding a source should be straightforward then

24 June 2021

"At the moment there are on average over 1500 rooms vacant every day in MIQ, and over 9000 MIQ room vouchers have been unused since the beginning of the year," said its Covid-19 response spokesperson Chris Bishop.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/445456/miq-spots-booked-out-until-november-more-on-the-way

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#2767847 27-Aug-2021 20:33

Buster:
ajobbins:

Finding a source should be straightforward then

24 June 2021

"At the moment there are on average over 1500 rooms vacant every day in MIQ, and over 9000 MIQ room vouchers have been unused since the beginning of the year," said its Covid-19 response spokesperson Chris Bishop.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/445456/miq-spots-booked-out-until-november-more-on-the-way

From reading that, it seems Bish is taking about reserve capacity rather than rooms being able to be booked, which the article says are quickly snapped up every time they are released. Yes, there was a period where there was a big release and demand wasn't as crazy, but my understanding was all the rooms were snapped up, just not as quickly

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#2767848 27-Aug-2021 20:39

Buster:

ajobbins:

Finding a source should be straightforward then

24 June 2021

"At the moment there are on average over 1500 rooms vacant every day in MIQ, and over 9000 MIQ room vouchers have been unused since the beginning of the year," said its Covid-19 response spokesperson Chris Bishop.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/445456/miq-spots-booked-out-until-november-more-on-the-way

And to supplement. This is with reduced 500 capacity for TT

https://www.mbie.govt.nz/dmsdocument/15212-miq-daily-update-2021-06-25

Buster

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Ultimate Geek

#2767849 27-Aug-2021 20:44

ajobbins:

24 June 2021

and over 9000 MIQ room vouchers have been unused since the beginning of the year,"

From reading that, it seems Bish is taking about reserve capacity rather than rooms being able to be booked, which the article says are quickly snapped up every time they are released. Yes, there was a period where there was a big release and demand wasn't as crazy, but my understanding was all the rooms were snapped up, just not as quickly

I really don't think these were a part of 'reserve capacity'. They don't make vouchers available for rooms kept in reserve?

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#2767851 27-Aug-2021 20:54

Buster
I really don't think these were a part of 'reserve capacity'. They don't make vouchers available for rooms kept in reserve?

That's my point. There are rooms vacant because they are reserved and not available to book with a voucher. They aren't vacant due to a lack of demand.

There were no vouchers - as the title of the article says "MIQ spots booked out until November, more on the way"

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#2767863 27-Aug-2021 22:38

Regarding MIQ in Auckland, I live in Auckland and don't have an issue with the bulk of MIQ being in Auckland. Key points:

MIQ facilities realistic need to be near major urban areas, so as to have access to staffing & hospital services if required.
Where the flights go is likely governed by operational, freight, maintenance requirements etc. Simply routing all international flights to Ohakea likely would cause logistical issues, and some airlines to stop servicing NZ. Busing fresh arrivals long distances isn't ideal either.
We needed to stand up the MIQ system in a hurry, seems like the government basically sucked up every suitable hotel (3+ star, suitable exercise area, suitable area for arrival buses / vans, big enough for economies of scale for security etc) - Hotels of suitable size tend to fall in urban area's.
Idea's like camper van's, tent's etc arn't viable options other than to get us out of a short term jam. In order for guests to maintain good hygiene, I consider a plumbed en-suite to be the minimum standard required, not a time we want to compromise on hygiene.

Another key thing to note is regardless of MIQ location Auckland still would carry a big risk. Biggest airport in the country, pritty big sea-port, plus 33%+ of MIQ arrivals will be traveling to Auckland as soon as they get out. Guests getting infected during their stay and carrying the virus on departure was a historically big risk.

I just think we need to accept that larger cities are much more prone to covid-19 outbreaks, and accept that, and manage accordingly. I am fairly happy for Auckland to take one for the team, even though it sucks for me personally. Do feel that Auckland should be getting extra resources to align with the risk that it carries. i.e. Much more aggressive vaccine roll-out in Auckland.

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#2767868 27-Aug-2021 23:07

Scott3:

sbiddle:

It would be good for media to ask questions again around vaccine delivery. Why did Hipkins keep saying for months that all deliveries would be made by the end of Sept and that they were contractually obliged to do that - and the PM to then suddenly change that?

We know that based on their own planned schedule that we may have needed to push out delivery because we didn't have capacity for more than 4m doses in our freezers so would not have been able to take our full order at that time. Did we really do that and push orders out?

As for vaccinating essential workers.. It just goes back to use thinking we were the best in the world and not looking at exactly what was happening in places like Australia. We simply didn't want to learn. We've all been talking about this in here for ages like stuck records!

Your right, set out really clearly in the below.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/443448/covid-19-vaccines-pfizer-delivery-timeline-due-next-week-hipkins

Pfizer had been confirming delivery schedules and quantities about four weeks ahead of when the shipment was expected, he said.

The company had a contractual commitment to deliver the rest of the vaccines between July and September.

Remaining supplies were still expected by the end of September, spread over the three-month period, he said.

Hopefully that statement was accurate. As at the 24th AUG, we had received 3.27m doses. To fill our 10m dose order by the end of sept, 5 weeks away, our average weekly shipments would need to jump to 1.3m doses.

Pfizer seems to have been really solid on deliveries to date, and the government has said we expect to get 2m doses this month, being a month with 5 Tuesdays, the current delivery rate is in the ball park of achieving this. So there does seem a decent chance we could see about 4m doses turn up in September. Would be awesome.

Interestingly the "Original cumulative vaccinations model" in the spreadsheet on the MOH vaccine stats page has weeks in September where 500k doses are planned, which clashes with the 50k a day peak vaccination rate mentioned by ministers.

Given that yesterday we did 87,000 vaccines, and there still seems to be more room for growth, perhaps the roll out is quietly doing an epic ramp to take advantage of a massive supply surge next month...

90,757 vaccinations yesterday. Medical industry is hitting this out of the park...

But of course this means that we are no delivering over 500,000 doses a week, with recent deliveries sitting at 380k a weeek, so we will be starting to burn our cira 400k dose stockpile. I have no issue running down the stockpile, doses are better in arms than in freezers...

Stuff has done a big article on this.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/126210677/covid19-government-plans-to-stretch-out-pfizer-stock-as-delta-cases-mount

"The next big deliveries of the Pfizer vaccine are due in October."

Sadly it seems that pfizer's contractual obligation to deliver all the doses by September (as per RNZ article) is no longer happening.

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#2767869 27-Aug-2021 23:20

And for people in Auckland that want to get vaccinated soon, I have heard from a variety of sources that the drive through vaccination center at the Airport park and ride is taking general public drive up's, incl tomorrow (Saturday). All approved ages (12+)

Sounds like a super slick operation, reports of people taking well under 20mins from arrival to having a syringe in their arm.

Coped from elsewhere source:

"Wear a mask Bring your NHI number Bring your bubble – the more people in your car, the more prioritised you will be To be sure you get in before the site closes, arrive before 3pm Follow instructions from the traffic-management team on site Even when the line looks long, it’s moving quickly If you’ve been at a location of interest in the current outbreak, DO NOT visit any vaccination centre until you have received a negative test result."

And from memory of TV coverage, you will get injected in the arm that is next the the car window. No pedestrians, no bikes, no trucks etc. On Monday they opened at 8:30am, but I am unsure if it is the same on weekends.

Of course, this is unofficial, so they can turn people away if the site gets too busy.

mattwnz

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#2767870 27-Aug-2021 23:30

IMO I am not sure why they aren't making some ethnic and age groups a priority based on risk factor. They did start with the age group thing, but IMO they should have made South and West Auckland and other lower economic areas a priority. If they run out, it is still the higher risk people that will be most affected, and they often have a lot of people living in each household, and we are in winter conditions, and many of these houses are cold and damp. I also do wonder if some people who are now vaccinated are taking more risks out there, based on all the flouters I have seen, some of who are in older ages groups that would have been vaccinated.

Many people who have booked still have to wait weeks.

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#2767874 27-Aug-2021 23:34

Quarantine status data from the Vic outbreak.

Despite ~3wks of fairly strict lockdown, a significant proportion of new cases have been in the community at least part of the time they were infectious.

Are there reasons to suspect the pattern here is going to be substantially different?

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#2767875 27-Aug-2021 23:46

mattwnz:
IMO I am not sure why they aren't making some ethnic and age groups a priority based on risk factor.

That is very similar to the lady reporter that basically looks for a quote that could get a hint of angle toward a discriminatory story.

And is continually quashed with factual info from the podoums.

There were and are focus groups. They were one of the first rolled in northland (remember the overrun centres with people travelling from Auckland..)
The uptake has been low. And noone can explain other than reinforce there are continual working attempts to encourage mindset change.

Can lead a horse and all that.

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#2767877 27-Aug-2021 23:53

DS248:
Quarantine status data from the Vic outbreak.

Despite ~3wks of fairly strict lockdown, a significant proportion of new cases have been in the community at least part of the time they were infectious.

Are there reasons to suspect the pattern here is going to be substantially different?

You may need to qualify with some overlap changes. If my quick Google fu is correct they lifted them end of july. A day or so after they got down to 10/day on some consecutive. Then tightened the purses again

A floating level as it were. Thats still a little behind the ball to shutting shop at 1.

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#2767878 28-Aug-2021 00:10

DS248:

Quarantine status data from the Vic outbreak.

Despite ~3wks of fairly strict lockdown, a significant proportion of new cases have been in the community at least part of the time they were infectious.

Are there reasons to suspect the pattern here is going to be substantially different?

This story concerned me https://thekaka.substack.com/p/dawn-chorus-auckland-faces-weeks . I am quite concerned about Auckland numbers and the figures that were discussed tonight, for the numbers that can't be linked to existing cases . Some of the experts have been concerned about NZs contact tracing, and it getting overwhelmed.Apparently Delta has a R0 of 6 Interesting to hear that the R0 for Delta once people are immunized only drops to 5.

I do wonder what UK is going to do (already having quite high vaccination levels), as many seem to be acting like it is all back to normal, even though cases are rising, and death rates are getting higher.

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