2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2769532 31-Aug-2021 22:10

Dingbatt:

* Claire Trevett: To Auckland should go the Covid-19 vaccines while the rest feast at level 3. Claire Trevett, NZHerald 31 August 2021.

First and only paragraph I read:

"As the rest of the country prepares for life with fried chicken at level 3, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern had little to offer long-suffering Aucklanders other than words of thanks for bearing the brunt...

Oh please...

It's an opinion piece with a lame attempt at "comedy" - not "news" or deep analysis of containment strategy - which she's not qualified to do anyway. Good clickbait though, roll out the good old "JAFA vs real NZer" thing is just about as good clickbait as making proclamations about what's going to happen with property prices.

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#2769535 31-Aug-2021 22:42

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Dingbatt:

* Claire Trevett: To Auckland should go the Covid-19 vaccines while the rest feast at level 3. Claire Trevett, NZHerald 31 August 2021.

First and only paragraph I read:

"As the rest of the country prepares for life with fried chicken at level 3, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern had little to offer long-suffering Aucklanders other than words of thanks for bearing the brunt...

Oh please...

It's an opinion piece with a lame attempt at "comedy" - not "news" or deep analysis of containment strategy - which she's not qualified to do anyway. Good clickbait though, roll out the good old "JAFA vs real NZer" thing is just about as good clickbait as making proclamations about what's going to happen with property prices.

It's your loss. Trevett is a good journalist.

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#2769569 1-Sep-2021 06:51

Singapore helping Australia, facilitated by Pfizer

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/covid-19-australia-pfizer-biontech-dose-sharing-arrangement-vaccines-2146411

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#2769574 1-Sep-2021 07:17

11mth has Covid but no known links - hmm it does explain AKL level 4

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/08/coronavirus-mother-of-baby-with-covid-19-says-diagnosis-was-a-complete-surprise.html

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#2769575 1-Sep-2021 07:21

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/450473/concerns-as-covid-19-cases-exercising-in-grand-mercure-wellington-s-underground-car-park

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#2769581 1-Sep-2021 07:54

Batman:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/450473/concerns-as-covid-19-cases-exercising-in-grand-mercure-wellington-s-underground-car-park

Makes me shudder, but from the article:

Brigadier King said the MIQ Technical Advisory Group had calculated the risk of ventilation issues at the facility as low.

https://www.health.govt.nz/about-ministry/leadership-ministry/expert-groups/covid-19-technical-advisory-group

(though that comment may be ambiguous - referring to "the facility" - so does that mean using the basement carpark as an exercise yard was considered when they looked at the facility generally - or did that start happening later?)

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#2769588 1-Sep-2021 08:12

Fred99:
Batman:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/450473/concerns-as-covid-19-cases-exercising-in-grand-mercure-wellington-s-underground-car-park

Makes me shudder, but from the article:

Brigadier King said the MIQ Technical Advisory Group had calculated the risk of ventilation issues at the facility as low.

https://www.health.govt.nz/about-ministry/leadership-ministry/expert-groups/covid-19-technical-advisory-group

(though that comment may be ambiguous - referring to "the facility" - so does that mean using the basement carpark as an exercise yard was considered when they looked at the facility generally - or did that start happening later?)

The ability to have returnees exercise is a fundamental part of assessing a facility - without it a facility cannot be designated. Falls under the UN "Optional Protocol to the Convention Against Torture", to which the Ombudsman regular assess each facility against - around two inspections a month from memory.

No exercise, no facility. The TAG take it into account from the start.

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#2769590 1-Sep-2021 08:17

I am not sure mystery outbreaks is worth the risk. Getting Ventilation engineer certify an underground carpark is like getting a mechanic to tell a racecar driver whether it's safe to race in the rain.

Mind you govts rely on consultancies for covid advice does raise my eyebrows a little too.

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#2769608 1-Sep-2021 08:46

Fred99:

First and only paragraph I read:

So you are commenting on, and dismissing, an opinion piece you didn’t even read?

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#2769611 1-Sep-2021 08:51

Ge0rge:
Fred99:

Batman:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/450473/concerns-as-covid-19-cases-exercising-in-grand-mercure-wellington-s-underground-car-park

Makes me shudder, but from the article:

Brigadier King said the MIQ Technical Advisory Group had calculated the risk of ventilation issues at the facility as low.

https://www.health.govt.nz/about-ministry/leadership-ministry/expert-groups/covid-19-technical-advisory-group

(though that comment may be ambiguous - referring to "the facility" - so does that mean using the basement carpark as an exercise yard was considered when they looked at the facility generally - or did that start happening later?)

The ability to have returnees exercise is a fundamental part of assessing a facility - without it a facility cannot be designated. Falls under the UN "Optional Protocol to the Convention Against Torture", to which the Ombudsman regular assess each facility against - around two inspections a month from memory.

No exercise, no facility. The TAG take it into account from the start.

NZ is the only country I'm aware of that has a quarantine program and still adopting a "zero Covid strategy" that has ever let people out of hotel rooms during their stay. Australia don't, Singapore don't, Hong Kong don't, Taiwan don't.

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#2769617 1-Sep-2021 09:00

Fair enough, time will tell if we have got it right or not.

The returnees aren't allowed out of their room until they have tested negative and "exercise" certainly isn't doing a cross-fit session with your hall-buddies (much to many returnees' disappointment). It's allowing people out of their rooms in controlled numbers and conditions so they can have fresh air.

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#2769619 1-Sep-2021 09:04

mattwnz:

frankv:

But I think it's just political games being played -- the alternative is to have them sitting less than a metre apart, since Parliament has seats in pairs. Now that they've forced Parliament to be a physical rather than electronic forum, they're just setting out to make more difficulties for no reason other than to distract the Government from actual important matters, in the hope they'll make mistakes. Which is pretty damn reckless IMHO.

Apparently it sounded like it was a non event today, and could have easily been done virtually on zoom.

Yup... TV showed about 4 or 5 MPs on each side of the house, so the 5m spacing was a non-issue. Zoom would have been just fine, and flying MPs from Auckland back to Wellington wasn't necessary.

Of course, if the Govt (or, more correctly, I think, the Speaker) had said it was OK for 2 MPs to sit next to each other, that would have been complained about as "putting our people at risk" and "flouting Health Dept rules".

Bearing in mind that everything was just fine when Winston held Labour and National to ransom when he held the balance of power so there was NO government at all for 3 months, Judith Collins' self-description as an "essential worker" is just a self-serving exaggeration of her own importance. No doubt her Auckland MPs are happy to be able to get their flat whites again though.

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#2769631 1-Sep-2021 09:21

My wife wants to know if fish & chips shops are operating in Level 3 🤣

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#2769634 1-Sep-2021 09:28

James Bond:

My wife wants to know if fish & chips shops are operating in Level 3 🤣

At Level 3 the restriction on opening is to be contactless...

If a Fish and Chip shop can meet that requirement...such as phone ordering.. and then delivery without contact, such as screens and contactless payment then they could open...

Whether many will be set up for that will remain to be seen

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#2769637 1-Sep-2021 09:34

Remdesivir for the Treatment of Covid-19 — Final Report

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2007764

CONCLUSIONS:

... remdesivir was superior to placebo in shortening the time to recovery in adults who were hospitalized with Covid-19 and had evidence of lower respiratory tract infection.

Edit: Oops. I see this paper was first published in Oct 20, so not new

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