2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2778755 15-Sep-2021 13:31

Fred99:

Love headlines from The Guardian (not - it's a trash news site full of clickbait).

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Fake news site.

What do you consider a good source of news? The Guardian is generally one of the most well regarded publications globally.

She didn't say what the headline implies she did, or they'd have put that within quotation marks in the article - much of what is formally quoted either contradicts what's implied by the headline, or is far more nuanced.

Well, she did - but as I have said, the messaging has been confused and the position of the government hasn't been realistic in the face of Delta (What is now changing is an alignment to this reality).

Here is a direct quote from that article: “a careful approach that says, there won’t be zero cases, but when there is one in the community, we crush it”. That is the elimination strategy the government is starting to back away from. The reality was that the only way to crush outbreaks is lockdowns, even at maximum vaccination rates.

"Even as recently as this week" - actually was more than a month ago.

The article was a month ago, but the message has been repeated since - including in press conferences up to this week. Let me see if I can find some transcripts

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#2778756 15-Sep-2021 13:32

DS248:

Batman: 14 cases

All household contacts, 8 had exposure events

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-14-new-community-cases-and-more-details-about-virtual-miq-booking-system/NMMJPBSWQUYUJE5SAXZJOUPPWA/

The continuing high proportion of exposure events is a bit concerning.

Seems a high proportion four weeks into L4 lockdown.

not sure why , they are essential workers who have stopped for petrol , drink /cigarettes from dairies and shopped for food. very low chance of bumping into other people at level 4.

Common sense is not as common as you think.

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#2778757 15-Sep-2021 13:35

Batman: 14 cases

All household contacts, 8 had exposure events

I think the 8 was yesterdays number? Believe it was 3 of the 14 of today's that were in the community.

That's a good number and hopefully will drop to 0 in the next day or so, meaning you could at least have a run of some days ahead of next week where if you drop to L3 the risk of any undetected cases in the community will be lower (but certainly not zero).

The "unexpected" detection of the virus in wastewater north of Auckland is a concern however!

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#2778759 15-Sep-2021 13:37

duckDecoy:

Sounds good, but please wait until everyone has been able to get vaccinated. That time is not yet here. Many vaccinated people, especially those who got it early in the cycle, don't quite understand that group 4 bookings had a long wait. I'm hearing more and more people tell me that if you aren't fully vaccinated by now its your own stupid fault.

It *was* an issue. On purpose, to allow the number of facilities at the time and queue system to work efficiently.

It *now* is not. The outbreak and supply increase took care of that.

So if it still is, people have likely not taken the advice to try move existing forward or use the new 'soonest' not 'closest' feature implemented and use up the supply, so are still being beaten by those who are.

Even down here where it is not the same priority, 2-3 weeks ago in Canterbury the nearest booking was pushing into Sept/October early november for fresh bookings. There are 100 non booked slots today, 200 the next, 260 the next. And that's excluding the ones taking walkups

Capacity is now available for people to adjust. But they're seemingly sticking to their original delayed ones thinking it's not an issue

https://maps.bookmyvaccine.covid19.health.nz/ shows you most the country has at least one of the sites with availability (based on 2 six weeks apart) within the next 7 days.

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#2778761 15-Sep-2021 13:38

DS248:

Batman: 14 cases

All household contacts, 8 had exposure events

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-14-new-community-cases-and-more-details-about-virtual-miq-booking-system/NMMJPBSWQUYUJE5SAXZJOUPPWA/

The continuing high proportion of exposure events is a bit concerning.

Seems a high proportion four weeks into L4 lockdown.

Someone just corrected me saying only 3 exposure events. It says 3 now. But I'm sure at the time I read the article it said 8.

There are a lot of movement of people, either essential, approved, illicit or clandestine.

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#2778765 15-Sep-2021 13:45

we have enough vaccine for everyone

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/126385886/covid19-250000-pfizer-vaccines-from-denmark-arrive-in-auckland

meanwhile pharmacies in Akl complaining https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/126374764/covid19-trained-pharmacy-vaccinators-going-to-waste-in-auckland

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#2778775 15-Sep-2021 13:59

Oblivian:

It *was* an issue. On purpose, to allow the number of facilities at the time and queue system to work efficiently.

It *now* is not. The outbreak and supply increase took care of that.

So if it still is, people have likely not taken the advice to try move existing forward or use the new 'soonest' not 'closest' feature implemented and use up the supply, so are still being beaten by those who are.

Even down here where it is not the same priority, 2-3 weeks ago in Canterbury the nearest booking was pushing into Sept/October early november for fresh bookings. There are 100 non booked slots today, 200 the next, 260 the next. And that's excluding the ones taking walkups

Capacity is now available for people to adjust. But they're seemingly sticking to their original delayed ones thinking it's not an issue

https://maps.bookmyvaccine.covid19.health.nz/ shows you most the country has at least one of the sites with availability (based on 2 six weeks apart) within the next 7 days.

I agree with you. But 7 days + 6 weeks for 2nd jab is still nearly 2 months away. Yet the mutterings I am increasingly hearing are demanding lifting restrictions much earlier than that because people have had enough time to become vaccinated.

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#2778781 15-Sep-2021 14:15

Batman:

Someone just corrected me saying only 3 exposure events. It says 3 now. But I'm sure at the time I read the article it said 8.

There are a lot of movement of people, either essential, approved, illicit or clandestine.

What Vexxxboy said a few posts above. Yes its a concern but you can't close supermarkets, dairies and GP's and hospitals.

When there were about 500 LOI's, the exposure rate was basically 100%, as infected people went there. But, only 5% spawned a case. Say Im affected I go to my own new LOI, I and everyone else is masked up, 2 metres if you can. I'm only there 5 minutes, and then its 100% safe again. Dairies and gas stations, distancing is pretty easy, supermarkets not so much but they haven't been a rash of spawning LOI's. Masks arent perfect but they do stop eruptions of aerosol from us.

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#2778785 15-Sep-2021 14:20

tdgeek:

What Vexxxboy said a few posts above. Yes its a concern but you can't close supermarkets, dairies and GP's and hospitals.

When there were about 500 LOI's, the exposure rate was basically 100%, as infected people went there. But, only 5% spawned a case. Say Im affected I go to my own new LOI, I and everyone else is masked up, 2 metres if you can. I'm only there 5 minutes, and then its 100% safe again. Dairies and gas stations, distancing is pretty easy, supermarkets not so much but they haven't been a rash of spawning LOI's. Masks arent perfect but they do stop eruptions of aerosol from us.

Also many of the new LOIS are what used to be called "casual contacts", the advice for many of the big ones like supermarkets is

"Self-monitor for COVID-19 symptoms for 14 days after you were exposed at this location of interest. If symptoms develop, get a test and stay at home until you get a negative test result AND until 24 hours after symptoms resolve."

its only the smaller venues like minimarts and laundrette that are generating closer exposure potential with

"Stay at home, test immediately as well as 5 days after you were exposed at this location of interest. Please continue to stay at home until you receive a negative day 5 test result.Record your visit online or call Healthline so our contact tracers can get in touch."

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#2778787 15-Sep-2021 14:27

Eva888:
Speaking only for myself, I don’t like to think that borders are closed and limitations are put on the young and healthy to protect the vulnerable which include people like me who have lived many years in freedom and are now nearing the inevitable end of the road. I will take the responsibility and all the precautions for myself, use masks, maybe a few more supplements and a shot of 7 star Metaxa Brandy now and then. If I’m lucky enough to push the envelope and survive that’s a bonus.

I don’t want to live in fear of Covid any more and watch the destruction of dreams and hopes of the young and seeing children miss out on education and playing with their friends at the most important time of their education and lives. I walk down the street outside in the fresh air and see masked mothers with children in tow that can’t see their mums expression or smile. Families that are separated overseas and may never see each other again because of not being able to come back and quarantine at home.

I know of people who have young teenagers struggling with depression and being medicated for it. We cure one problem and exacerbate and create so many others just as life threatening. Stress and depression are cancer's best friend...are we saving ourselves from one sickness but giving ourselves another life threatening one further down the track?

I personally feel relieved to see someone having the courage to point this out. I live alone and the 'restrictions' are having a profound impact on the limited social contact that I would normally have. How much quality of life can you lose before protecting yourself from the virus becomes pointless?

I have also been thinking a lot recently about the long term demographic implications, particularly in countries that have had restrictions for long periods of time. If young people haven't had the chance to get out and meet the opposite sex, where does that lead in terms of things like birth rates and people living alone?

As an older person I am happy to expose myself to some risk if it means that younger people can get back to having some opportunities and something to look forward to.

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#2778788 15-Sep-2021 14:27

wellygary:

Also many of the new LOIS are what used to be called "casual contacts", the advice for many of the big ones like supermarkets is

"Self-monitor for COVID-19 symptoms for 14 days after you were exposed at this location of interest. If symptoms develop, get a test and stay at home until you get a negative test result AND until 24 hours after symptoms resolve."

its only the smaller venues like minimarts and laundrette that are generating closer exposure potential with

"Stay at home, test immediately as well as 5 days after you were exposed at this location of interest. Please continue to stay at home until you receive a negative day 5 test result.Record your visit online or call Healthline so our contact tracers can get in touch."

Yep, and when you get less cases you get less LOI's (not sure how many there are right now) and the odds of catching it start to skyrocket. Right side of the Bell Curve.

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#2778789 15-Sep-2021 14:32

alasta:

I have also been thinking a lot recently about the long term demographic implications, particularly in countries that have had restrictions for long periods of time. If young people haven't had the chance to get out and meet the opposite sex, where does that lead in terms of things like birth rates and people living alone?

The last time it happened on a grand scale it eventually resulted in the huge post war baby boom...

.. but given the high level of angst surrounding many young people today I'm not expecting a repeat

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#2778796 15-Sep-2021 14:59

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-14-new-community-cases-and-more-details-about-virtual-miq-booking-system/NMMJPBSWQUYUJE5SAXZJOUPPWA/

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Covid Response Chris Hipkins said there are no certainties about Auckland moving to level 3 next week, but he did say there are good signs, including fewer unlinked cases.

"Trends are heading, generally speaking, in the right direction," he said.

"But things can change, and they can change quickly."

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#2778807 15-Sep-2021 15:22

Oh dear. Someone mentioned his name for being quiet earlier on

Now they have given Tamaki air-time again

I won't be linking. Usual BS against all science.

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#2778811 15-Sep-2021 15:26

tdgeek:

Here is an insight with Denmark. Very high level of vaccinations, and have opened up. 500 cases per day and a few deaths each day from mainly elderly and illness ridden people. NZ could be at their vaccination level end of the year. Perhaps, and its a big perhaps, more has been learned by then to combat the inevitable post opening up infections

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/126367729/covid-19-somethings-working-in-the-state-of-denmark

NZ has a couple of issues that are a make a comparison with Denmark not so good. We have much higher levels of Obesity and Heart Disease which Covid loves. This is a reason why the UK has more deaths than any other country in Europe as they are fatter and why Scotland has the highest numbers in the UK as Heart Disease there is higher than anywhere else.

When we do open up our rates of death are going to be higher. The problem is that with the current PC world you can't recommend measures which will make people feel bad.

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