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mattwnz
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  #2780745 19-Sep-2021 18:31
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GV27:

 

mattwnz:

 

Which means level 4 hasn't been adhered to by some people. So it isn't a case of Delta being too hard to eliminate, but flouters letting the team of 5 million down. But I guess the media won't focus on this.

 

 

The police helicopter has been out almost every night out here under lockdown. It is out every night when there isn't a lockdown. At some point you are going to get into the part of the community that generally don't give a damn about the community and do what they want when they want. And then the game is over. 

 

 

 

 

IMO the rest of the country have been pretty good at sticking to the rules, and people dobbing in flouters.  People wearing masks , even though there is no evidence of any cases outside Auckland.  This risk to the rest of NZ increases a lot if Auckland moves down a level with CT still occurring, as the RO value then likely increase. Level 3 is far more than just level 4 with takeaways, the traffic observed on the roads almost goes back to normal levels for a start based on the level change in Wellington.

 

 We also have to remember that the rest of NZ didn't move from level 4 to 3, without very strong evidence that there was no CT occurring, and it was entirely ring fenced. Potentially they could have come out of it quite a bit earlier, but they had to make sure. Auckland on the other hand still has CT occurring and it hasn't been ring fenced. Yet people are expecting them to drop to level 3 in a few days. It just isn't logical based on what has previously happened.


 
 
 

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  #2780746 19-Sep-2021 18:33
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freitasm:

 

Scott3:

 

Somebody has set up a crowd sourced queue length webpage for testing sites & supermarkets.

 

https://timeintheline.co.nz/

 

 

More like a brand advertising agency "Libby & Ben is a brand agency. We develop authentic brand experiences that generate trust and loyalty with your customers no matter where they're engaging with your product or service."

 

Everyone is being used...

 

 

And it seemingly worked (despite their being a howlongistheline for the same thing last year from someone less business orientated)

 

They were on NewsHub tonight. Where MoH was 'so impressed' by what they did, it 'openly offered them the vaccination slot data' to do the same as vaxx.nz seems to have done with scrapes?

 

So it now has supermarket, services, and jab details.


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  #2780747 19-Sep-2021 18:38
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tdgeek:

 

mattwnz:

This is why helicopter payments were needed along with paymentsto those who are close contacts in certain households. . A lot of people who are essential workers can't afford not to go to work. I think they needed to do a lot more with this. It isn't logical for Auckland to drop a level and if it does, it won't have learnt from the error that was made last time when they dropped to level 3 too early. NZ has no choice currently apart from elimination due to low vaccinations and a poor health system that has had years of under investment. We don't have the luxury of a good health system like most countries have, who can afford to live with the virus circulating in the community. This is why some of the experts have said that NZ needs vaccination rates in the high 90s. .

 

How many are in ICU? The elimination policy counters that, this is not Italy. Low vaccinations. IIRC 78% have had the first dose, I cant recall the two dose figure but in a few short weeks that 78% becomes 78% fully vaccinated.

 

I get the conservative viewpoint, but it becomes glass half empty rather quick. NZ has the fastest dosage per capita at the moment. Time was bought, its being used now. 26 deaths, check the OECD 

 

 

 

 

There have been quite a high number in ICU and we have only had a relatively small number of cases. Only just exceeding 1000 reported cases in total. NSW is getting well over 1000 case in just 1 day!

 

It is 6 weeks between jabs, so many people won't get their second jab for a month or more. 

 

It seems one news expects a level drop unless cases tomorrow are much different. IMO it is very risky. I haven't seen Professor Baker on TV for some time to ask him, whether he thinks a level drop is correct. The last think they want is to go back up levels again due to trying to cut corners and drop too early. They waited for quite some time for the rest of NZ to drop from level 4 to 3 without any CT cases. 




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  #2780748 19-Sep-2021 18:38
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mattwnz:

 

IMO the rest of the country have been pretty good at sticking to the rules, and people dobbing in flouters. People wearing masks , even though there is no evidence of any cases outside Auckland. This risk increases a lot if Auckland moves down a level with CT still occurring, as the RO value then likely increase. Level 3 is far more than just level 4 with takeaways, the traffic observed on the roads almost goes back to normal levels for a start based on the level change in Wellington.

 

 We also have to remember that the rest of NZ didn't move from level 4 to 3, without very strong evidence that there was no CT occurring, and it was entirely ring fenced. Potentially they could have come out of it quite a bit earlier, but they had to make sure. Auckland on the other hand still has CT occurring and it hasn't been ring fenced. Yet people are expecting them to drop to level 3 in a few days. It just isn't logical based on what has previously happened.

 

 

Again, can you confirm that, maybe with a link?


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  #2780750 19-Sep-2021 18:48
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mattwnz:

 

There have been quite a high number in ICU and we have only had a relatively small number of cases. Only just exceeding 1000 reported cases in total. NSW is getting well over 1000 case in just 1 day!

 

It is 6 weeks between jabs, so many people won't get their second jab for a month or more. 

 

It seems one news expects a level drop unless cases tomorrow are much different. IMO it is very risky. I haven't seen Professor Baker on TV for some time to ask him, whether he thinks a level drop is correct. The last think they want is to go back up levels again due to trying to cut corners and drop too early. They waited for quite some time for the rest of NZ to drop from level 4 to 3 without any CT cases. 

 

 

"Quite a high" isnt a volume or a %. 6 weeks between jabs so many won't get a second jab for a month or more? A month is 4 weeks. Some will get the second tomorrow, some Tuesday, some 6 weeks from last Friday. Its all quite negative from you.

 

You need to ascertain CT to assess the risk. Im quite risk averse with Covid, but I go by math. CT math. As has been posted today it appears to be large families infecting themselves rather than randoms around town. HUGE difference. I'm now seeing L3 as acceptable, previously it was no way. I wish they would give more data.


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  #2780751 19-Sep-2021 18:51
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IMO the rest of the country have been pretty good at sticking to the rules, and people dobbing in flouters.  People wearing masks , even though there is no evidence of any cases outside Auckland.  This risk to the rest of NZ increases a lot if Auckland moves down a level with CT still occurring, as the RO value then likely increase. Level 3 is far more than just level 4 with takeaways, the traffic observed on the roads almost goes back to normal levels for a start based on the level change in Wellington.

 

 We also have to remember that the rest of NZ didn't move from level 4 to 3, without very strong evidence that there was no CT occurring, and it was entirely ring fenced. Potentially they could have come out of it quite a bit earlier, but they had to make sure. Auckland on the other hand still has CT occurring and it hasn't been ring fenced. Yet people are expecting them to drop to level 3 in a few days. It just isn't logical based on what has previously happened.

 

 

As someone in Auckland, who is religiously obeying all the restrictions, and has done so through more and longer periods that other parts of the country I find I am getting tired of the lockdown.

 

And I have no crowded accomodations, nor financial strain and am vaccinated, so probably well set to deal with lockdown but even so are very tired of being told what is best by "the rest on NZ" and that we should remain in Level 4 for the sake of others.

 

It must be a nighmare for all those suffering financially, physically and mentally.

 

Sorry to rant. 


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  #2780752 19-Sep-2021 18:52
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tdgeek:

 

 

 

Again, can you confirm that, maybe with a link?

 

 

 

 

Watch todays standup when they were discussing this. The PM said there wasn't 'widespread' community transmission occurring. The PM didn't say that there wasn't any community transmission, just that it wasn't widespread. 




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  #2780760 19-Sep-2021 18:54
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mattwnz: IMO the rest of the country have been pretty good at sticking to the rules, and people dobbing in flouters.  People wearing masks , even though there is no evidence of any cases outside Auckland.  This risk to the rest of NZ increases a lot if Auckland moves down a level with CT still occurring, as the RO value then likely increase. Level 3 is far more than just level 4 with takeaways, the traffic observed on the roads almost goes back to normal levels for a start based on the level change in Wellington.

 

 We also have to remember that the rest of NZ didn't move from level 4 to 3, without very strong evidence that there was no CT occurring, and it was entirely ring fenced. Potentially they could have come out of it quite a bit earlier, but they had to make sure. Auckland on the other hand still has CT occurring and it hasn't been ring fenced. Yet people are expecting them to drop to level 3 in a few days. It just isn't logical based on what has previously happened.

 

 

The rest of the country, just like Auckland, had a fair few people who didn't think the Level 4 (and then Level 3) lockdown was something that applied to them. It still does, in that not everyone in Level 2 is behaving as though they're in Level 2. A number of comments in this thread from people in Level 2 telling it how they see it in their respective communities has shown this. It doesn't matter where you are, or what restrictions are in place, there will be people who don't think they should have to follow the guidelines a huge majority of the population are following. 





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  #2780765 19-Sep-2021 19:18
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The fact is we could have a border/MIQ breach at any stage in a number of cities/towns.

 

Restrictions aren't just about this outbreak & Auckland as lots of people seem to think (people in general not Geekzone).


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  #2780811 19-Sep-2021 21:48
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Like in (almost) Waikato. But still kinda Auckland

 

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/three-people-test-positive-covid-19-in-waikato

 

At least one of the young people was symptomatic at school on Thursday


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  #2780824 19-Sep-2021 22:17
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Oblivian:

 

Like in (almost) Waikato. But still kinda Auckland

 

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/three-people-test-positive-covid-19-in-waikato

 

At least one of the young people was symptomatic at school on Thursday

 

 

Level 2 zone though isn't it?

 

This looks like it could be a bad cluster. Damn.

 

 


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  #2780826 19-Sep-2021 22:23
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Level 2 zone though isn't it?

 

This looks like it could be a bad cluster. Damn.

 

 

Yup. Is why I highlighted the school. Articles all went 'Waikato' in the slug, which instils panic for short readers to a possible random popup way away from Akl. When it is an update on the Mt Eden prison case

 

Happens to be just outside the AKL lvl4 boundry, and thus schools still operating.

 


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  #2780828 19-Sep-2021 22:26
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Oblivian:

 

Fred99:

 

Level 2 zone though isn't it?

 

This looks like it could be a bad cluster. Damn.

 

 

Yup. Is why I highlighted the school. Articles all went 'Waikato' in the slug, which instils panic for short readers to a possible random popup way away from Akl. When it is an update on the Mt Eden prison case

 

Happens to be just outside the AKL lvl4 boundry, and thus schools still operating.

 

The school catchment may cross the border... but in that case there should have been some increased precautions... otherwise the question will be who crossed the border with it , the prisoners family was just on the other side of the line...


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  #2780829 19-Sep-2021 22:28
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Oblivian:

 

Like in (almost) Waikato. But still kinda Auckland

 

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/three-people-test-positive-covid-19-in-waikato

 

At least one of the young people was symptomatic at school on Thursday

 

 

It's south of the boundary, so in level 2.

 

And one of the kids was in school symptomatic on Thursday...

 

This has the potential to be a significant cluster.

 

 

 

Don't know what it means for tomorrows announcement. If zero cases is still the goal we should really be moving Auckland and the upper Waikato up to a newly created level 5 for a least a week.

 

 

 

I think that saying we are on top of this enough to drop to level 3 will risk loosing credibility. But saying we are moving to level 3 just to keep the rate of growth in check while we finish off vaccination will go down pretty poorly outside Auckland and the waikato.

 

 

 

 

 

 


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  #2780830 19-Sep-2021 22:29
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Some Mangatangi School pupils have not been able to return to school as they live in L4, even though the school is in L2.

 

 





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