2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2781376 21-Sep-2021 00:49

Fred99:

Pfizer clinical trials show that their vaccine is safe and produces a strong immune response in 5-11 YOs. Two dose, with 1/3 of the mRNA of adult dose. They'll be applying for FDA approval. They're also trialling 1/10th adult dose for 1-5 YOs.

This on top of FDA being likely to approve boosters for over 65 or vulnerable in the next couple of days is good. Children are now a significant vector for delta in the US. While only a few tens of thousands have been hospitalized, they're a disproportionately high % of new cases

Great news. Hopefully Medsafe & cabinet can really expedite their analysis of this one, and not spend 4 months on it like the 12-15 age group...

Sounds like the F.D.A. has asked for an expanded trial so rare side effects can be better analysed, but it likely to give it the green light in the meantime while that data comes in.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/20/health/covid-children-vaccine-pfizer.html

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#2781397 21-Sep-2021 06:39

Fred99:
Pfizer clinical trials show that their vaccine is safe and produces a strong immune response in 5-11 YOs. Two dose, with 1/3 of the mRNA of adult dose. They'll be applying for FDA approval. They're also trialling 1/10th adult dose for 1-5 YOs.

Is 12-15 year old getting 1/2 or full adult dose?

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#2781403 21-Sep-2021 07:11

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And inter family rule breakers, thats pertinent. Its still slack, but its not the usual flouters that we see on the news. Some cultures need support, are highly social, and maybe some poverty. No excuse, but thats far better than mobs openly flouting at Bondhi.

Yes, but I would like to know if the government has tried to address this in anyway with specific help for them. This has been happening for weeks now so they should have come up with a potential solution instead of it holding the whole country back.

Not sure how, its a trust model. They give orders, the people need to comply. Short of patrolling the streets continually, no idea how they can manage that. You could fine people but then they won't get a test

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#2781406 21-Sep-2021 07:17

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The question is why hasn't this been addressed, by giving them extra support, money etc. Far cheaper than the billion dollars a week cost of lockdown. I also do wonder how many didn't get tested because they didn't want to go into MIQ, when they needed to work to pay bills etc. This is why I have always supported helicopter payments, even if it was targeted towards south Auckland and other similar areas. This all comes down to the government IMO,and adapting things for the current conditions.

Assuming its the lower socio economic demographic, how do you support them? A visit from a psychologist to help them? No, they want to see family. Money? Money wont stop them wanting to see their family. Agree re going to MIQ, who would get tested so they can go there for 2 weeks? I'll stay home, I'll get better in 2 weeks. Thats a very valid point. All I can think of is an allowance for some cultures to have exclusive Level 4 bubbles, but then others will complain. Cultures have differences, maybe that could have been accounted for. Fiji was the same, social contact is a fabric of Islander cultures, and when they locked down, the social gatherings continued

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#2781407 21-Sep-2021 07:17

Spoke to a friend in the UK last night. He's booked in for his booster next week!

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#2781418 21-Sep-2021 07:41

Geektastic: Spoke to a friend in the UK last night. He's booked in for his booster next week!

there were a lot of buzz regarding jabbing with different vaccines each dose -

this seems to have gone out of fashion!

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#2781427 21-Sep-2021 07:49

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heavenlywild: "Elimination" is just a word they use to confuse people to suit their changing strategy.

CDC definitions:

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But I remember this exact being discussed at length over a year ago, so I think we are stuck with the NZ usage of the term... Where Elimination means Zero tolerance.

it means whatever they say it means.

zero tolerance will mean whatever they say it to mean.

hopefully the govt will learn from other countries to prepare the health system.

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#2781435 21-Sep-2021 08:07

Batman:

Geektastic: Spoke to a friend in the UK last night. He's booked in for his booster next week!

there were a lot of buzz regarding jabbing with different vaccines each dose -

this seems to have gone out of fashion!

It might be better, it might be worse, but first choice should be going with what's been shown to work. Say if there's three vaccines and two plus a booster jab, there's many potential combinations of dose order, trials would need to be run across different age bands, then there's going to be a wide range of gaps between jabs in the participants, best trails are double blind placebo, you'd need a zillion volunteers.

Novavax were supposed to be trialling a vaccine as a booster after different first and second doses, as they missed the bus on approvals and delivering first and second doses, maybe they'll have some good data. Preliminary data looked fantastic, but maybe it was made to look fantastic as a capital-raising exercise. We (NZ) have ordered rather a lot if it.

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#2781436 21-Sep-2021 08:12

Batman:

hopefully the govt will learn from other countries to prepare the health system.

Which is generally pretty much - "don't do what they did".

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#2781439 21-Sep-2021 08:21

This morning interview with Dr bloomfield. Of no surprises

Despite that, he said of the alert level change: "You lose a bit of sleep over them."

He said one of the households affected lived on the same street as another household now infected with Covid-19.

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#2781440 21-Sep-2021 08:27

Oblivian: This morning interview with Dr bloomfield. Of no surprises

Despite that, he said of the alert level change: "You lose a bit of sleep over them."

He said one of the households affected lived on the same street as another household now infected with Covid-19.

Yep, no surprises there, BUT I'd rather have that than randoms wandering around the city

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#2781447 21-Sep-2021 08:54

Give it a week or 2.

I was one of the early ones to point out/warn that I nearly got flattened doing my daily walk and come across many more groups mingling when we shifted down here due the aforementioned perceived 'there is a change'. When there is not (to joe public who doesn't work for one of the businesses suddenly allowed to trade), other than more inter-business chances

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#2781448 21-Sep-2021 09:01

There's a fine line being walked.

An Auckland councilor is proposing vaccination buses or centres should be set up at KFCs across Auckland to vaccinate those waiting in line for their fried chicken.

While many Aucklanders start to plan for their long-awaited takeaway fix, Josephine Bartley believes it's a perfect opportunity to vaccinate locals in Covid-19 hotspots.

"People are going to be waiting in line for ages anyway, they might as well get a vaccination while they're there."

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#2781506 21-Sep-2021 09:22

Looking towards the UK where current vaccination rates are slowing, currently 73% first dose and 66.7% fully vaccinated. Daily cases yesterday were 31,600 and currently 7,874 people in hospital. Only 1% of deaths are fully vaccinated.

Got this text from a friend in Leeds

"Boris warning on Friday that we may have to go into lockdown again as cases are almost as high as the peak... and a lot higher than they were this time last year. And hospital admissions are starting to get near the danger threshold again... and we are barely in autumn.

The vaccines have greatly reduced severe illness and deaths.. but case numbers seem almost unaffected."

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#2781517 21-Sep-2021 09:40

So the man released from Jail is a patched Black Power member (i got this from Stuff's live feed, but the story it links to doesn't mention it), but he left Jail, stopped four times on the way home to Kaiaua - Mt Albert, Mangere, Pokeno and some random carpark not far from home).

He didn't have Covid when he left Jail. He had it by the time he got home.

Guessing he stopped in at a gang pad on the way home (he was picked up by a friend/family member). Is Covid running rife in the gangs? How likely are they to follow the lockdown rules? Going by the last couple of weeks, not likely at all. Would you like a side of an economy crippling deadly disease with your point of P??

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