2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2782629 23-Sep-2021 12:07

I hope we don’t have to keep wearing masks, it’s hard for me to work as I do a physical job indoors and my glasses keep flogging up.
Have to keep wiping them and if I’m moving when they flog can be a health and safely risk in itself.

I can try to manage it for short term, but not forever.

Have tried anti-flog sprays, wearing glasses further down nose etc, but still keeps happening.

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#2782630 23-Sep-2021 12:24

Fred99:

There's a complicating issue (not covered in that article) that if vaccination rates remain at low levels then it'll be a reservoir of high case numbers and subsequent transmission seeding back to the general community.

Within that community, kaumatua (with reasonable vax rates - but most at risk from serious consequences of "breakthrough infection") are being seriously endangered by low vaxx rates among the <50YOs.

This needs to be sorted.

Extremely difficult conversation to have; ideally something that is resolved and articulated sooner rather than later is even the perception of that as being an option could be harmful to continued by in from the wider community.

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#2782642 23-Sep-2021 12:43

rugrat:

I hope we don’t have to keep wearing masks, it’s hard for me to work as I do a physical job indoors and my glasses keep flogging up.
Have to keep wiping them and if I’m moving when they flog can be a health and safely risk in itself.

I can try to manage it for short term, but not forever.

Have tried anti-flog sprays, wearing glasses further down nose etc, but still keeps happening.

Was wondering about the effectiveness of anti-flog sprays myself. Have you tried using an anti-fog spray instead? ;)

But, to be helpful, I'm told that a folded up tissue on top of the bridge of the nose helps stop glasses from fogging up. Dunno if it prevents floggings, though. ;)

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#2782656 23-Sep-2021 13:13

GV27:

Extremely difficult conversation to have; ideally something that is resolved and articulated sooner rather than later is even the perception of that as being an option could be harmful to continued by in from the wider community.

We're going to need to have lots of difficult conversations about all kinds of things related to covid and the aftermath - for years. Today's difficult conversation is about vaccination:

New modelling prepared for the Government by Shaun Hendy suggests that New Zealand could see up to 7000 Covid-19 deaths a year even with a high proportion of the population jabbed.

The modelling from Te Punaha Matatini suggests that if 80 per cent of the 5+ population was fully vaccinated - around 75 per cent of the entire country – Covid-19 would still cause a serious death toll without other restrictions.

Hendy projects it would cause 60,000 hospitalisations and 7000 deaths over a one-year period.

If 90 per cent of the 5+ population was reached however – around 85 per cent of the full population – then deaths would drop to around 50 over a year.

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#2782659 23-Sep-2021 13:15

frankv:

Was wondering about the effectiveness of anti-flog sprays myself. Have you tried using an anti-fog spray instead? ;)

But, to be helpful, I'm told that a folded up tissue on top of the bridge of the nose helps stop glasses from fogging up. Dunno if it prevents floggings, though. ;)

Thank you I’ll give it a go. Hopefully the fogging stops. We don’t get flogged at work :)

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#2782661 23-Sep-2021 13:19

They even threw to him (Prof Hendy) remotely to back those up.

But the theme of this conversation does look like vaccine focus. How much we read into it.. well. It does sound like a soft preparation that there's likely going to be some rules/requirements to get it if things don't change.

/edit Well, not mandatory jabs. But other encouragement not ruled out.

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#2782669 23-Sep-2021 13:43

rugrat:

I hope we don’t have to keep wearing masks, it’s hard for me to work as I do a physical job indoors and my glasses keep flogging up.
Have to keep wiping them and if I’m moving when they flog can be a health and safely risk in itself.

I can try to manage it for short term, but not forever.

Have tried anti-flog sprays, wearing glasses further down nose etc, but still keeps happening.

Do you know anyone with a 3D printer. Anti-fog mask nose clips do work https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4635429

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#2782676 23-Sep-2021 13:48

A good bit of endemic talk today

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#2782677 23-Sep-2021 13:50

rugrat:

I hope we don’t have to keep wearing masks, it’s hard for me to work as I do a physical job indoors and my glasses keep flogging up.
Have to keep wiping them and if I’m moving when they flog can be a health and safely risk in itself.

I can try to manage it for short term, but not forever.

Have tried anti-flog sprays, wearing glasses further down nose etc, but still keeps happening.

piece of tape, tape the upper border of the mask to the skin tightly esp around nose bridge

watch for skin irritation though

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#2782682 23-Sep-2021 14:00

Reanalyse:

Do you know anyone with a 3D printer. Anti-fog mask nose clips do work https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4635429

If you don't know anyone, your local library may have a 3D printer. That noseclip should be easy (and cheap) to print. Incidentally, my cloth mask has a piece of stiff wire embedded across the nose...maybe you can improvise something like that?

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#2782786 23-Sep-2021 14:09

wellygary:

You would need to provide some form of bespoke assistance to the Hospo and arts sectors that rely on larger gathering limits.

- they are one of the sectors that are pretty much uneconomic with the 2 metre rule and patron caps...

it's very difficult as a sledgehammer is the only tool we have until we get the 90% that we are after, but we had watched the world burn for the last 18 months and what proactive preparation did we/they/anyone do (other than all our best in the world reactions)?

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#2782794 23-Sep-2021 14:17

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wellygary:

You would need to provide some form of bespoke assistance to the Hospo and arts sectors that rely on larger gathering limits.

- they are one of the sectors that are pretty much uneconomic with the 2 metre rule and patron caps...

it's very difficult as a sledgehammer is the only tool we have until we get the 90% that we are after, but we had watched the world burn for the last 18 months and what proactive preparation did we/they/anyone do (other than all our best in the world reactions)?

We are talking about the post high vaccination opening up period. No one else has probably done that, they combined their vaccination journey with opening up, with dire results, we dont plan to do that

Then you can take the sledgehammer away while watching hospital bed numbers.

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#2782799 23-Sep-2021 14:22

We are in L3 for a week and a bit more, if vaccination rates have tailed off (as you would assume) then what is the plan at that point? Continual level 3 while we try to reason with deliberate hold-outs?

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#2782816 23-Sep-2021 14:37

GV27:

We are in L3 for a week and a bit more, if vaccination rates have tailed off (as you would assume) then what is the plan at that point? Continual level 3 while we try to reason with deliberate hold-outs?

The rates being tossed around by Hendy today don't relate to the current situation in Auckland, but the overall rates at some point in the future

BUT

As for Auckland if we look at national Vax rates, based on when people were having 1st Jabs, in two weeks we will only be ~60% fully vaxxed ( -nationally (eligib pop) - that's not enough to stop a Delta Outbreak...

AK unlinked and mystery cases need to come down to near zero and so does transmission at locations of Interest.

... until that happens I can't see Auckland getting to 2 (because to remove the 3 boundary will see it spread round the country)

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#2782817 23-Sep-2021 14:41

wellygary:

The rates being tossed around by Hendy today don't relate to the current situation in Auckland, but the overall rates at some point in the future

BUT

As for Auckland if we look at national Vax rates, based on when people were having 1st Jabs, in two weeks we will only be ~60% fully vaxxed ( -nationally (eligib pop) - that's not enough to stop a Delta Outbreak...

AK unlinked and mystery cases need to come down to near zero and so does transmission at locations of Interest.

... until that happens I can't see Auckland getting to 2 (because to remove the 3 boundary will see it spread round the country)

So then the relevant question is: What happens when we don't hit whatever the magic number is for sufficiently high enough vaccination and how long do they expected people to live and deal with L3 who have already been jabbed?

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