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  #2439396 16-Mar-2020 15:38
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Scott3: Mid day tvnz news found two people that were willing to go on national TV and state that they were going to evade self isolation requests.

There must be many thousands doing it on the down low.

It is pritty clear this voluntary, ok to take domestic flights and walk around the block isolation is not going to work.

We need to step up to self quarenteen, with twice daily random checks and prison time or deportation for people who evade.


We also need to commence aggressive social distancing for the next three weeks while the travel restrictions bed in. School, restaurant, nightclub closures etc.

 

This is an article about a super spreader in South Korea https://www.mamamia.com.au/south-korea-patient-31/ . You only need one person who has it who should have self isolated, and it can cause major problems. I am guessing this is why China were far stricter. I hope people will report anyone that they suspect should be self isolating, who isn't. But who do you report them to , the police?


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  #2439400 16-Mar-2020 15:44
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Batman:
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Looks like trouble....

 

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2020/03/coronavirus-trump-wants-vaccine-only-for-the-us-report.html

 



I thought the guy Trump's trying to "buy" has been sacked.

 

"...the German government was making counter-offers to tempt it to stay."

 

A bidding war for the company! Is it too late to get a job there?

 

 


 
 
 
 




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  #2439402 16-Mar-2020 15:47
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Scott3: Mid day tvnz news found two people that were willing to go on national TV and state that they were going to evade self isolation requests.

There must be many thousands doing it on the down low.

It is pritty clear this voluntary, ok to take domestic flights and walk around the block isolation is not going to work.

We need to step up to self quarenteen, with twice daily random checks and prison time or deportation for people who evade.


We also need to commence aggressive social distancing for the next three weeks while the travel restrictions bed in. School, restaurant, nightclub closures etc.


Well does the PM know about this?

Basically one end we are chasing one out two known infected people's trails. At the other end you have literally thousands of people trying to infect everyone else and we will only know in 2 weeks time.




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  #2439408 16-Mar-2020 15:54
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afe66: Closing the schools will cause big problems for hospitals as nurses are largely women and primary carers of children....

Close schools then risk nurse shortage.

If we are going to close schools we should slow elective surgery.

This happens over the two weeks of xmas.

 

That's a pretty "old school", dare I say it sexist, view of the world.  Maybe its an accurate statement - I don't know. I certainly know several female doctors (more than nurses funnily enough).

 

 

Definitely accurate. There are way more female nurses than male. And factual rather than sexist. It's not like he's saying females should be nurses.

 

Possibly attracting retired nurses to return temporarily to the workforce may work.

 

I suspect slowing down elective surgery pre-Xmas is equally because surgeons as well as nurses want their summer holidays.

 

Of course, slowing down elective surgery means less people get knee and hip replacements. And the DHBs, which are funded per operation, will get less money. And all of that would be a waste if, as presently, there is no-one needing hospitalisation due to COVID-19.

 

 


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  #2439411 16-Mar-2020 15:56
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Batman: I thought the guy Trump's trying to "buy" has been sacked.

 

"...the German government was making counter-offers to tempt it to stay."

 

 

 

Yepp guys, but we got it under control now. :-)

 

+++ Federal Minister of Health Jens Spahn confirmed in the ZDF program "Berlin direct" in the case of the Tübingen pharmaceutical company CureVac the "takeover" attempt by US President Donald Trump. Federal Interior Minister Seehofer had also previously said at a press conference that this was true and would become an issue in the crisis cabinet on Monday. The "Welt am Sonntag" had reported that Trump CureVac would have offered a lot of money to develop a possible corona vaccine exclusively for the United States. According to Health Minister Spahn, this offer is off the table. CureVac will develop the possible corona vaccine from Germany "if, then for the whole world" and "not for individual countries."

 

 





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  #2439412 16-Mar-2020 15:57
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^^ Yet . Although some have needed it.


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  #2439416 16-Mar-2020 15:59
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Here in Washington State and soon others as well, they've just announced all restaurants, bars, theaters, entertainment/recreation venues are shutdown from tomorrow

 

 

 

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  #2439419 16-Mar-2020 16:04
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People are forgetting kids cannot be offloaded onto grandparents with this. Closing schools is massive, it would close down an enormous portion of the workforce. 


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  #2439421 16-Mar-2020 16:04
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frankv:

 

"...the German government was making counter-offers to tempt it to stay."

 

A bidding war for the company! Is it too late to get a job there?

 

 

From the company press release:

 

 

The company rejects current rumors of an acquisition

 

TÜBINGEN, Germany/ BOSTON – March 15, 2020 – CureVac AG, a clinical stage biopharmaceutical company pioneering mRNA-based drugs for vaccines and therapeutics, confirmed today that internal efforts are focused on the development of a coronavirus vaccine with the goal to reach, help and to protect people and patients worldwide.

 

As a consequence, the company is in contact with especially CEPI and many other organizations and authorities worldwide, however abstains from commenting on speculations and rejects allegations about offers for acquisition of the company or its technology.

 

 


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  #2439422 16-Mar-2020 16:05
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GV27:

 

People are forgetting kids cannot be offloaded onto grandparents with this. Closing schools is massive, it would close down an enormous portion of the workforce. 

 

 

Chicken and egg. The workforce will ultimately be closed down anyway if major community spread occurs.

 

 


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  #2439423 16-Mar-2020 16:06
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GV27:

 

People are forgetting kids cannot be offloaded onto grandparents with this. Closing schools is massive, it would close down an enormous portion of the workforce. 

 

 

Ummm - I agree, but it's probably going to happen, so start planning now.


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  #2439424 16-Mar-2020 16:10
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GV27:

 

People are forgetting kids cannot be offloaded onto grandparents with this. Closing schools is massive, it would close down an enormous portion of the workforce. 

 

 

Ummm - I agree, but it's probably going to happen, so start planning now.

 

 

You should. I'd say this is the most tricky task the crisis management teams currently handling here in Germany and elsewhere.





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  #2439429 16-Mar-2020 16:21
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GV27:

People are forgetting kids cannot be offloaded onto grandparents with this. Closing schools is massive, it would close down an enormous portion of the workforce. 



Kids can’t socially distance themselves. All the countries with the start of run away infections have closed schools

Once the virus infects ~1% social distance mechanisms aren’t necessary as they become completely ineffective

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  #2439430 16-Mar-2020 16:24
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nathan:
GV27:

 

People are forgetting kids cannot be offloaded onto grandparents with this. Closing schools is massive, it would close down an enormous portion of the workforce. 

 



Kids can’t socially distance themselves. All the countries with the start of run away infections have closed schools

Once the virus infects ~1% social distance mechanisms aren’t necessary as they become completely ineffective

 

What do you think the doctors, nurses, policemen, key service personnel are doing with their kids when they are badly needed the most and can't be dropped at grandma and grandpa? The closing needs to be (and here it is) exempted for them in some way.





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  #2439433 16-Mar-2020 16:32
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A comparison of reported mortality rates for China (Wuhan?) vs Italy vs South Korea.  A couple of explanations suggested for the lower mortality rates in South Korea are (1) more extensive testing there and (2) most of the infections were in females (http://tbs.seoul.kr/eFm/newsView.do?typ_800=N&idx_800=2388022&seq_800=).  The comment re the average age being comparably younger there not so relevant to the plot since is it compares mortality by age decile.  Plot from Reddit.

 

 

The more extensive testing is seen as important in restraining the spread of the virus in South Korea (https://www.propublica.org/article/how-south-korea-scaled-coronavirus-testing-while-the-us-fell-dangerously-behind).  That is the type of lesson we should be taking on board.  Arguments that widespread testing would waste resources as younger people are unlikely to be significantly impacted by the virus ignore the role of infect younger people in spreading the virus to more vulnerable population  

 

 


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