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  #2439537 16-Mar-2020 18:13
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mattwnz:

 

I think they should be closing schools in NZ too immediately for a few weeks until we can judge what the extent of community transmission is. If it does exist, then schools could be making it spread worse, as they are all essentially large extended gatherings.  But the problem is what you do with them, as most families now need two people working to cover costs like mortgage payments etc. Is the MOH still saying that the risk of widespread community transmission in NZ is still considered low, and are they still in the keep it out / stamp it out phase?

 

What do people think about how they are managing it in the UK, which appears to go against what the WHO recommends countries do?

 

I am hoping NZ becomes the blueprint of how this sort of event should be managed.

 

 

The UK is a shocker, herd immunity. 

 

Here, I feel we are doing well. Its been here for as long as anyone else, but we have only 8 cases. More will follow. That the border is quite closed off means we are far lower risk to import it, and all of ours are so far imports. When we get community transmission, we will do the close contact thing, that will be a big help. I think many Kiwis are conservative, do the right thing. When we get CT here that will hit home, which will help.


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  #2439540 16-Mar-2020 18:17
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Scott3: Mid day tvnz news found two people that were willing to go on national TV and state that they were going to evade self isolation requests.

There must be many thousands doing it on the down low.

It is pritty clear this voluntary, ok to take domestic flights and walk around the block isolation is not going to work.

We need to step up to self quarenteen, with twice daily random checks and prison time or deportation for people who evade.


We also need to commence aggressive social distancing for the next three weeks while the travel restrictions bed in. School, restaurant, nightclub closures etc.

 

Are they Kiwis?


 
 
 
 


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  #2439543 16-Mar-2020 18:23
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Coronavirus: PM says 'zero tolerance' for visitors refusing to self-isolate

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120298348/coronavirus-governments-selfisolation-rules-for-travellers-take-effect

 

Despite the headline the article is stacked with future tense.

 

Hopefully parliament will be able to rush though a law change ASAP. It is a bit disappointing nothing was put in place when self isolation was first used.

 

I don't think we should be trusting foreign nationals under the current honesty arrangement.


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  #2439545 16-Mar-2020 18:29
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The UK is a shocker, herd immunity. 

 

Here, I feel we are doing well. Its been here for as long as anyone else, but we have only 8 cases. More will follow. That the border is quite closed off means we are far lower risk to import it, and all of ours are so far imports. When we get community transmission, we will do the close contact thing, that will be a big help. I think many Kiwis are conservative, do the right thing. When we get CT here that will hit home, which will help.

 

 

That comes of as crazy talk.

There isn't even scientific consensus that immunity lasts a usefull length of time.

 

They are going to kill a lot of people.

 

We should be blocking entrie of non-nationals that have been in the UK for the last 14 days to further cut down the risk to NZ

 

 

 

tdgeek:

 

Are they Kiwis?

 

 

Wasn't specified, but my guess would be yes.

 

Any new measures to enforce isolation will need to be effective regardless of nationality.


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  #2439546 16-Mar-2020 18:29
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Coronavirus: PM says 'zero tolerance' for visitors refusing to self-isolate

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120298348/coronavirus-governments-selfisolation-rules-for-travellers-take-effect

 

Despite the headline the article is stacked with future tense.

 

Hopefully parliament will be able to rush though a law change ASAP. It is a bit disappointing nothing was put in place when self isolation was first used.

 

I don't think we should be trusting foreign nationals under the current honesty arrangement.

 

 

Its a hard one. The only way to enforce self isolation is with a guard. Kiwi's should feel free to ask a tourist for their travel documents. Its not nosey, its about NZ health. Arrived yesterday? Call the Police with the rental cars plate. Too harsh?  


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  #2439548 16-Mar-2020 18:34
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Watching the TV news tonight and seeing tourists still pouring into the country makes you realise that the only way to really curb the virus entering is to only allow NZ citizens to enter the country. Tourists are never able to properly self isolate and it just makes a mockery of NZ's response to hear tourists say they will continue with their holidays but won't stay in the same place for the full 14 day isolation period. Let's really close the borders or simply take the Mark Richardson approach of ignoring the virus altogether!

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  #2439549 16-Mar-2020 18:35
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Scott3:

 

 

 

Wasn't specified, but my guess would be yes.

 

Any new measures to enforce isolation will need to be effective regardless of nationality.

 

 

There is an easy option, and based on a teeny sample of abusers, block the borders from foreign nationals, no entry. Offer a visa option where quickish clearance can occur for real people with real reasons to be here, i.e. not tourists. There will be few that must come here. There will always be some valid exceptions. But not many. Example. Relative coming here to see a close relative, staying at their place for 3 months will 14 day quarantine. You could just block everyone but some do have real reasons. 


 
 
 
 


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  #2439550 16-Mar-2020 18:37
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frednz: Watching the TV news tonight and seeing tourists still pouring into the country makes you realise that the only way to really curb the virus entering is to only allow NZ citizens to enter the country. Tourists are never able to properly self isolate and it just makes a mockery of NZ's response to hear tourists say they will continue with their holidays but won't stay in the same place for the full 14 day isolation period. Let's really close the borders or simply take the Mark Richardson approach of ignoring the virus altogether!

 

Agree, it seems that way. Im aghast that tourists go anywhere right now. No idea that it was still popular thing at this time.


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  #2439551 16-Mar-2020 18:37
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Its a hard one. The only way to enforce self isolation is with a guard. Kiwi's should feel free to ask a tourist for their travel documents. Its not nosey, its about NZ health. Arrived yesterday? Call the Police with the rental cars plate. Too harsh?  

 



Tourists can rightly tell the public no if they are asked for their travel documents. There is not even a legal obligation for tourists to carry passports in NZ. I sure wouldn't show my passport to anybody that randomly approached me on the street overseas (unless that person was a uniformed government official)

Whats the point of calling the police? The role of the police is to enforce NZ law. There is no law about self isolation, so what can the police do.

 

 

 

Other countries have got self isolation / quarantine pretty good.

 

In china you get twice daily physical checks at random times (with temperature checks) - Jail time for breaching.

 

Singapore was using Skype video calls to check on people - Assume they get you to show the notice taped to the front door (with anti-taper tape) or similar. - They stripped a guys permanent residency and deported him for breaching.

 

Once we get a few harsh enforcement's in the newspapers, compliance will improve.


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  #2439553 16-Mar-2020 18:40
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ASX finished down 9.7% today. 

 

This is v. bad. 


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  #2439554 16-Mar-2020 18:40
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Tourists can rightly tell the public no if they are asked for their travel documents. There is not even a legal obligation for tourists to carry passports in NZ. I sure wouldn't show my passport to anybody that randomly approached me on the street overseas (unless that person was a uniformed government official)

Whats the point of calling the police? The role of the police is to enforce NZ law. There is no law about self isolation, so what can the police do.

 

 

 

Other countries have got self isolation / quarantine pretty good.

 

In china you get twice daily physical checks at random times (with temperature checks) - Jail time for breaching.

 

Singapore was using Skype video calls to check on people - Assume they get you to show the notice taped to the front door (with anti-taper tape) or similar. - They stripped a guys permanent residency and deported him for breaching.

 

Once we get a few harsh enforcement's in the newspapers, compliance will improve.

 

 

Maybe that's it, extremely harsh penalties, but will that stop backpackers? Maybe Kiwiland is a good choice, so maybe thats why we are getting these types. better to just avoid all this and block the border, only allow NZ nationals in thats a lot easier and a lot more secure.


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  #2439557 16-Mar-2020 18:51
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Scott3:

 

There is no law about self isolation, so what can the police do.

 

 

 

 

If someone is required to go into self isolation, and don't,  then aren't they are breaking the law? The fact that apparently they can send people back to their country, or force them into quarantine, and are looking at bring in fines  indicates it is the law isn'tit?

 

Alternatively they are going to have to get tough and quarantine them all if it is a trend. You only need one 'super spreader' like there was ion South Korea, to do a lot of virus spreading.  I am just amazed there are travelers coming in, does their health insurance cover them if they get sick considering this is a pandemic , or are they expecting NZs free healthcare will pay for it all.


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  #2439558 16-Mar-2020 18:53
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GV27:

 

ASX finished down 9.7% today. 

 

This is v. bad. 

 

 

 

 

Effectively another crash. In the US the government put a lot of money into their one, but not in NZ or Oz.  A lot of peoples kiwisavers are not going to look very healthy. Especially people who recently joined, or recently put a lot of money into it. Due to teh low interest rates at teh bank, quite a few people have moved their money out of the bank into shares, which had up till recently been performing well.


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  #2439559 16-Mar-2020 18:55
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Scott3:

 

There is no law about self isolation, so what can the police do.

 

 

 

 

If someone is required to go into self isolation, and don't,  then aren't they are breaking the law? The fact that apparently they can send people back to their country, or force them into quarantine, and are looking at bring in fines  indicates it is the law isn'tit?

 

Alternatively they are going to have to get tough and quarantine them all if it is a trend. You only need one 'super spreader' like there was ion South Korea, to do a lot of virus spreading.  I am just amazed there are travelers coming in, does their health insurance cover them if they get sick considering this is a pandemic , or are they expecting NZs free healthcare will pay for it all.

 

 

Exactly. I mistakenly assumed why even come here there is no point. The point is there is lots to see here, who cares. Re the law, its probably a regulation than a Statute. I assume that means a rule we can enforce but not a law they can break?


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  #2439560 16-Mar-2020 18:57
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mattwnz:

 

If someone is required to go into self isolation, and don't,  then aren't they are breaking the law? The fact that apparently they can send people back to their country, or force them into quarantine, and are looking at bring in fines  indicates it is the law isn'tit?

 

 

No. There is no law. There is one being drafted. Thanks to human rights and privacy law lockdown. You need it in writing to get around it.

 

That's where the 'bring in fines' comes from

 

We are in unprecedented times. And call for unprecedented measures. 


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