2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2787443 30-Sep-2021 23:48

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Do you want to take the staff out of the hospitals and put them in a shed? There is a finite amount of people, putting some in a “Covid centre” doesn’t solve anything.

It depends on how it is done. The UK setup special temp covid hospitals. But the DPM said they have been bringing in lots of medical staff over the last year to support the increase in medical staff required.

So there's no practical way to do it.

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#2787444 30-Sep-2021 23:49

Oblivian: The day is not complete without another reminder of our oecd UCU status.

Did we have helicopter payments or increased fines? What about impossible to drop levels?

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#2787458 1-Oct-2021 06:44

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wow. this shows we were going nowhere, with level 4, and nowhere with level 3.

Yep, all the rules in the world won't help when a few don't bother following L4 or L3, or get tested. Elimination has occurred for the many that are following the rules but it won't stop (or it will be really slow) due to the non compliant few.

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#2787459 1-Oct-2021 07:03

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Yeah. Those people who don't like the idea of being monitored for 2 weeks..

Two new exposure events have been identified at Middlemore Hospital after two patients tested positive on Wednesday night.

And one of the two chose to "self-discharge" after learning about their positive result.

Sixty-six patients have been identified as close contacts. Currently there are 34 who remain at the hospital and they have been moved to an isolation ward.

Though, I'm not even sure 2 weeks is the norm with one of the school kids going symptomatic AFTER the 12 day negative.

There is a biot more is the statement from the Ministry of Health

Two more patients with Covid-19 have visited Auckland’s Middlemore Hospital, with more than 60 other people now considered close contacts of the cases.

Both cases arrived at the emergency department on Wednesday night seeking treatment for issues unrelated to Covid-19, a Ministry of Health spokeswoman said.

One patient answered “yes” to one of the Covid screening questions, which was also a symptom of the non-Covid reason they were visiting hospital. They were tested and given initial treatment.

However, after learning of their positive test result, the person chose to self-discharge and was being managed by the Auckland Regional Public Health Service (ARPHS), she said.

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#2787466 1-Oct-2021 07:47

mattwnz: quote Handle9: quote mattwnz: Time for some new dedicated Covid centre’s to take the load and risk of hospitals and staff. Hospitals and staff in NSW seem to be having a bad time ATM /quote

Do you want to take the staff out of the hospitals and put them in a shed? There is a finite amount of people, putting some in a “Covid centre” doesn’t solve anything. /quote

It depends on how it is done. The UK setup special temp covid hospitals. But the DPM said they have been bringing in lots of medical staff over the last year to support the increase in medical staff required. But it is stupid that as soon as staff are exposed to someone with covid in the hospital, that they then have to step down those staff, when NZs health system is poor, and already has the second worst ICU capacity in the OECD after Mexico. I feel it is the calm before the storm especially based on the mess that is occurring in Victoria and NSW. China is also teaching us a lesson on how to deal with covid and keep cases fief to zero.

if you guys can get behind the paywall this may or may not shed light

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/exclusive-red-alert-hospital-plans-for-uncontrolled-covid-19-revealed/B4GYLULMU2TGGEAWUWCNYP3NZY/

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#2787493 1-Oct-2021 08:25

clinty: However, after learning of their positive test result, the person chose to self-discharge and was being managed by the Auckland Regional Public Health Service (ARPHS), she said.

I had read that. And believe we may find, that is "being followed up, so we can ask nicely for them to monitor and isolate"

Vs " them and their family are now in jetpark".
Fairly sure by the pure number of these 'expected' cases from 'emergency housing' that there are likely a heap that many are simply asked to stay put due to size. And like the nice IBIS chap, only jetparked if isolation is not possible, or in an area of higher risk (north waikato), or they breach that request.

We aren't hearing 'they have all been moved to jetpark'. Only 'they were already isolating' a lot more now.

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#2787497 1-Oct-2021 08:37

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Maybe someone has already done this somewhere, but I threw some of the key stats going back to start of Sept that the MoH publish each day in their press release into a Google Sheet

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vTNCVXunDgqEcj0dDkIwkXX3tQt3r2cYBOqWBnfMVlDZCWiID0MgyfCirrDxErLDi8pS4H59fAuTP08/pubhtml

Interesting to visualise. The testing numbers are interesting, massive peaks are throughs with Monday consistently being a low testing number day.

Case number 7 day rolling average has basically been flat for the last 3 weeks.

Note dates relate to press release date, so numbers are for the 24 hours to 9am that day

Thanks so much for that Adam, its incredible that NOBODY in the mainstream media will do in depth graphs like that. Perhaps they don't want to show the general public the truth. Would be great to see a vaccination one but I suppose thats harder without daily info?

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#2787499 1-Oct-2021 08:53

There are some really, really stupid people in here:

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#2787511 1-Oct-2021 09:22

JPNZ:

ajobbins:

Maybe someone has already done this somewhere, but I threw some of the key stats going back to start of Sept that the MoH publish each day in their press release into a Google Sheet

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vTNCVXunDgqEcj0dDkIwkXX3tQt3r2cYBOqWBnfMVlDZCWiID0MgyfCirrDxErLDi8pS4H59fAuTP08/pubhtml

Interesting to visualise. The testing numbers are interesting, massive peaks are throughs with Monday consistently being a low testing number day.

Case number 7 day rolling average has basically been flat for the last 3 weeks.

Note dates relate to press release date, so numbers are for the 24 hours to 9am that day

Thanks so much for that Adam, its incredible that NOBODY in the mainstream media will do in depth graphs like that. Perhaps they don't want to show the general public the truth. Would be great to see a vaccination one but I suppose thats harder without daily info?

Our media seem focussed on whether cases are linked or unlinked, maybe because that's a figure MoH and politicians like giving and repeating that because it often sounds good when most people who were infected in a day were directly connected to others.

While that number is important, one key number we need to worry about is the number of exposure events, because every exposure event means potentially infected people who were out and about in the community and one more opportunity for spread.

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#2787515 1-Oct-2021 09:35

I'd be interested to know if any of these cases are from 'Community' spread - ie., actually just walking past someone, or being in the same shop.

I suspect a very high percentage of them are from much closer contact than that.

Level 2, of course, will ruin it.

And keeping the border closed will just SLOW the spread to the rest of NZ, it won't stop it. Once we go LVL2 in Auckland, it will spread in restaurants and bars. It will get to a worker crossing the border and go with them to other parts of the North Island. Give it two weeks.

I wouldn't want to be the politician balancing this out. One hand, 1.7m p*ssed off Aucklanders. On the other 5m P*ssed of NZers....

My Opinion. Back to Level 4 for two weeks, then *if* Public Health and the Police (because it sounds like it needs some enforcement now) can ringfence the group of rule-deniers in that time, straight to level 2.

Wont happen, but dreams are free.

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#2787544 1-Oct-2021 11:09

JPNZ:

ajobbins:

Maybe someone has already done this somewhere, but I threw some of the key stats going back to start of Sept that the MoH publish each day in their press release into a Google Sheet

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vTNCVXunDgqEcj0dDkIwkXX3tQt3r2cYBOqWBnfMVlDZCWiID0MgyfCirrDxErLDi8pS4H59fAuTP08/pubhtml

Thanks so much for that Adam, its incredible that NOBODY in the mainstream media will do in depth graphs like that.

I really liked Adam's graphs.

. A good place in the media for graphs is the Spinoff website. They have good NZ covid coverage and opinion.

In particular I like their vaccination by DHB graph.
That info seems hard to come-by easily elsewhere.

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#2787558 1-Oct-2021 11:31

KrazyKid:

. A good place in the media for graphs is the Spinoff website. They have good NZ covid coverage and opinion.

The Spinoff is fine for data visualisation, but I trust their opinion about as much as I'd trust Stuff.co.nz.

At least I know what the Herald's problems are.

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#2787562 1-Oct-2021 11:36

Victoria issuing mandatory vaccination notice for many essential workers

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#2787644 1-Oct-2021 13:07

19; only one unlinked to existing cases!

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#2787648 1-Oct-2021 13:22

clinty:

However, after learning of their positive test result, the person chose to self-discharge and was being managed by the Auckland Regional Public Health Service (ARPHS), she said.

Clint

So yeah. It was only being followed up on still. And a decision for them has since been made it seems

The patient who self-discharged after testing positive at Middlemore is being moved into quarantine today, McElnay said.

They were just explaining not all cases are moved out. It's 'case-by-case' basis from a few factors that decide it. But 'low'

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