tdgeek:[Just got an alert, new cases in Raglan EDIT Just household contact vases

I don't think they are vaccinated? Antivax maybe?

Buster:

 

tdgeek:[Just got an alert, new cases in Raglan EDIT Just household contact vases

 

I don't think they are vaccinated? Antivax maybe?

 

Not sure. But they can still catch it, and spread it, they are just much less likely to get sick and the spread is somewhat reduced

These releases need to highlight how many are unvaccinated to try to hammer that home to others. Elimination battle is lost, its now a vaccine/hospital bed battle

I wonder if there is a case to say that if you are positive, and vaccinated, that you can isolate at home, otherwise its MIQ? Or is that already the case?

PM has apparently said we are 'transitioning away from an elimination strategy'. 

Unsure what we're transitioning to, but expect political spillover from this to boil over today. 

GV27:

 

PM has apparently said we are 'transitioning away from an elimination strategy'. 

 

Unsure what we're transitioning to, but expect political spillover from this to boil over today. 

 

Yep, the December rollout phase to fight it with the vaccine and ease restrictions is now today, thanks to a select few, except we cant ease them right now

Very broadly, anyone eligible without the first vax shot by now is either antivax or has reservations (antivax light), regardless of ethnicity.

If we don't use self-isolation at home, then we'd run out of MIQ places very fast anyway - even if we shut the border / cancelled existing MIQ bookings.  

It would be futile anyway, we had reasonably regular leaks when only 1% or so in MIQ were C-19 positive.  It'd be 100 times worse if everybody in MIQ was positive.

Only 3% of the cases in the current outbreak had been fully vaxxed.

(The 97% are costing the nation billions, and Aucklanders in particular a very unpleasant experience - and at this point of time no end in sight)

Really starting to get the feel that there is a lot more C-19 in Auckland than is showing right now. With only 7,880 tests in Auckland yesterday and more sub clusters popping up everyday it feels like things could be much worse.

There is no consistency with the PM. She changes her stance and strategy on a whim.

Now she talks about us being in a "transitionary" phase. We wouldn't be in such a phase if we were "ahead of the queue". 

Don't forget it was only last week the govt said the outbreak was "under control" and there was "no wide spread community transmission". Well, most of us don't believe it and it has come to roost. 

Follow Air NZ's lead this afternoon and mandate something - goodness sake, anything is better than right now where there is no clarity over mandatory jabs, plan to get us out of lockdown, plan to connect us to the world, plan to live with COVID and I could go on forever.

Mandate everyone on the public paypurse being vaccinated.

Give the go-ahead for employers to mandate vaccinations - any sensible employer would want to do this to limit time their staff have off work.

The anti-vaxxers can keep their choice but will have to live with the consequences of their choice.

JPNZ:

 

Really starting to get the feel that there is a lot more C-19 in Auckland than is showing right now. With only 7,880 tests in Auckland yesterday and more sub clusters popping up everyday it feels like things could be much worse.

 

Just read that most of yesterdays cases were from door to door testing. Had there not been that door to door testing the cases would have been low, yet all these people would have been spreading it day after day. Makes you wonder of they did 10X the amount of door to door what the numbers would be. Rules have become pretty meaningless

Handle9:

GV27: I would be interested post-pandemic to find out whether people's enthusiasm for lockdowns decreased once they'd been vaccinated though, I think that there's potentially a 'Well I'm jabbed now so I'm not putting my life on hold for idiots' effect that we might not have expected to be as strong as it is.

Entirely anecdotally that is absolutely the way people feel. I was chatting on WhatsApp to one of my closest friends, who also lives in a gulf country, and he basically said that verbatim. We were both fully vaccinated in April. I’ve also had colleagues in Europe say the same thing.

gzt: 
In part this is based on a misconception. Vaccine does not guarantee 100% that you - and your vaccinated friends and your vaccinated elderly relatives - will not get covid and be badly affected by it and statistically some will die. Additionally we don't know yet how widespread transmission will affect mutation. There is good reason for optimism but we are not out of the woods by a long way.

I think it's more that at that point, you've done everything you can do. You've gotten jabbed, you've followed lockdown rules, you've seen it extended week on week and you've seen the usual 'I won't do what you tell me' crowd continue to live their normal, socially disruptive lives without a second thought.

At that point, people can be forgiven for checking out. 

heavenlywild:

 

and I could go on forever.

 

I'm sure you will.

heavenlywild:

 

Follow Air NZ's lead this afternoon and mandate something