2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2790232 5-Oct-2021 20:20

DjShadow:
Trying to sign up to the beta "My Health Account" site and it isn't sending through any verification codes by e-mail (mine is an outlook.co.nz one)

I have been trying all day and not getting the verification email to my outlook.com address. There was a significant Outlook outage today but it seems to have been running fine for a few hours now and still unable to get that verification email.

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#2790235 5-Oct-2021 20:23

UncleArk: ... Great. Has my records (although no batch numbers?) ...
... Wait for RealMe to come back up and log in there and link it?

Same, no batch numbers
RealMe worked for me this evening
Location: Border & MIQ Household VC 1 - I guess that's why it's called beta? 😄

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#2790237 5-Oct-2021 20:27

cshwone: I didn't use Realme .... Went through with my email address, Drivers Licence, NHI Number, ...

Rikkitic: Same. No problem.

trig42: I just signed up for it on the Beta page. Worked fine for me using my gmail address. ...

For those using your email address to register, did the system ask to verify your postal address?

RealMe provided my postal address to MoH as part of the sign up process.

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#2790248 5-Oct-2021 20:51

alasta:
wellygary:

You only need to go online to get it once, (which you can do at home),

You can download the certificate (QR code) to your phone... boom job done no need to go online to get it at any location

Ah, so you just download a PDF and save it on your phone for offline access?

I wonder how many old/cheap phones have the ability to save a PDF file like that?

Most should, but IMO it would be a PITA to find it in a folder on a device each time you want to access it. Printing it out and laminating it and sticking it in the back of a phone or in a wallet would be easier for some. Or saving it, so it can be accessed in the covid scanning app also could be an idea.

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#2790253 5-Oct-2021 21:14

cokemaster: I’ve heard through the grapevine that there is a programme offering $200 worth of vouchers for folks to get vaccinated at the Vodafone events centre across today and tomorrow. Not too sure if that’s true or not but nevertheless, it’s a clever inducement to get folks to vaccinate and vaccinate now.

They had the massive prize pool for the manukau drive through, an insane amount of prizes, I don't have the link but it made me wish i could get a my 2nd jab early given how high the chance of winning something of great value would have been, ie $1000-100000 prices. I'd like to see if that made any difference on getting the jab. Will look up the date and cross reference the days numbers.

Standing in line today, Auckland packed as it has been since dropping to lvl3, in the suburbs, it was good to see 3 youngns (late 20s) getting their 1st jab. Vaxx plus compliant use of Masks makes viral load so low that should someone get a break through infection, their just isnt enough viral load to produce a hospitlisation event.

Dr Monica Ghandi imo is the leading expert on this, certainly from a public facing perspective.

I just don't think the Govt is putting enough emphasis on "wear a mask", its said, but its not up there with "get a vaxx" and bother equally important imo. Given how far aerosols drop, imo, everybody should be wearing a mask in public.

No point getting angry about it, but somebody has to point out, not wearing a mask in a closed office or even in the open air along a footy path. Just tell people you must wear a mask where you may be in less than 2m of contact of other people please where it when passing people on the street etc.

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#2790265 5-Oct-2021 21:56

mattwnz: Most should, but IMO it would be a PITA to find it in a folder on a device each time you want to access it. Printing it out and laminating it and sticking it in the back of a phone or in a wallet would be easier for some. Or saving it, so it can be accessed in the covid scanning app also could be an idea.

I agree. Would be an absurdity to expect people who may not even have a smartphone to access a digital version on the fly. Surely a "drivers" license type version is coming. Internationally, how will it work, Id assume vaccination data is linked to the chip within our passports?

I read there is a second amount of ~$37M dollars for Maori, that is I presume on top of the original $40M in relation to Vax. I just not sure given the lack of targets for the use of that money, how much better off paying people to vaxx would be.

It has gone up slightly the last few days, probably more once those other areas now in the bubble of doom start to get their 20-35yo numbers up. But looking at the numbers its fairly consistent across all regions.

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#2790276 5-Oct-2021 23:39

TeaLeaf: I’ve heard through the grapevine that there is a programme offering $200 worth of vouchers for folks to get vaccinated at the Vodafone events centre across today and tomorrow.

A new campaign, led by Auckland Airport, "Doing it for each other" meant people getting vaccinated could scan a QR code to vote for a South Auckland school of their choice to receive one of three $20,000 grants which included $10,000 cash and $10,000 of products from Warehouse Stationery.

There were also daily prizes including smartphones, whiteware appliances, hotel accommodation, pounamu pendants and $42,000 in $100 gift card vouchers.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-park-vax-vaccination-centre-offers-daily-prizes-with-jab/UOPVMUK4VYCK4SQMOXQGLT7CPE/

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#2790285 6-Oct-2021 00:28

cokemaster: I’ve heard through the grapevine that there is a programme offering $200 worth of vouchers for folks to get vaccinated at the Vodafone events centre across today and tomorrow. Not too sure if that’s true or not but nevertheless, it’s a clever inducement to get folks to vaccinate and vaccinate now.

Some businesses are also offering carrots. The PM did speak yesterday about carrots and sticks. But in response to the question it seems that the government will be more about sticks than carrots. eg Warning that they won't allow anyone to attend festivals in summer who haven't been vaccinated, and to get vaccinated now, not in December, if they want to go.

But if the government did offer everyone a $200 carrot, to be spent in a local businesses, when double jabbed by a certain date, the total would be less than 1 billion, which would then get recycled back into the economy anyway. The cost to keep Auckland in level 3 is in the multiple billions, as we wait for vaccination rates to increase. IMO it is false economy not to offer a carrot, if it increases the uptake, and speeds up the 'transition' out of level 3.x and into level 2, and living with Delta / Covid in the community. The minister of health thought it was a good idea that businesses were offering carrots a week or so ago to be jabbed, but what are they doing to increase the uptake which has hit a bit of a wall.

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#2790287 6-Oct-2021 01:47

TeaLeaf: Just tell people you must wear a mask where you may be in less than 2m of contact of other people please where it when passing people on the street etc.

Not everybody has a job where wearing a mask is suitable. I work in a physical job, heavy lifting indoors. I’ve sucked my mask into mouth couple of times when breathed in deeply. Also have glasses so working in a chiller is impossible unless wear mask below nose.
Out of the chiller the work space is not heated, so when cold they fog as well. People without glasses are complaining as well, where they have to breathe heavily.

I haven’t tried the nose clip idea mentioned earlier in thread as don’t have 3D printer, if they’re that good why are they not in shops.

I’m disappointed that it looks like mask wearing will remain even when hit vaccinated targets. Short term wearing like shopping in heated areas and not doing anything strenuous is fine.

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#2790296 6-Oct-2021 06:46

mattwnz:

But if the government did offer everyone a $200 carrot, to be spent in a local businesses, when double jabbed by a certain date, the total would be less than 1 billion, which would then get recycled back into the economy anyway. The cost to keep Auckland in level 3 is in the multiple billions, as we wait for vaccination rates to increase. IMO it is false economy not to offer a carrot, if it increases the uptake, and speeds up the 'transition' out of level 3.x and into level 2, and living with Delta / Covid in the community. The minister of health thought it was a good idea that businesses were offering carrots a week or so ago to be jabbed, but what are they doing to increase the uptake which has hit a bit of a wall.

Problem with carrots is you penalise the good people who got jabbed and benefit the slackers. Then when booster time arrives which is near, everyone will hold off until you give me $200 otherwise your target won't be met. 18 months in, if anyone doesn't see a benefit in a free jab I dont know what to say. The unofficial target is 90%+ Those with at least one jab is 78%, so we will get 78% plus more that slowly come on stream. Its not far off, and they need to push the 3 week not 6-8. Boosters will boost us all in due course. The vaccine ID will certainly get jabs from the younger social crowd, and November is not far away, they need to get in and do 3 weeks so they can attend events.

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#2790297 6-Oct-2021 06:50

Speaking of events, I don't care about events.

I care about when I can see my family who live outside of Auckland. We seem to have more stories about people who chose to travel overseas and how unfair things are on them when we have people who can't even move around our own country.

Their fault for not being horsey lawyer people I guess.

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#2790346 6-Oct-2021 07:14

GV27:
Speaking of events, I don't care about events.

I care about when I can see my family who live outside of Auckland.

It’s great, isn’t it? You’ll get used to it after 18 months.

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#2790347 6-Oct-2021 07:18

GV27:

Speaking of events, I don't care about events.

I care about when I can see my family who live outside of Auckland. We seem to have more stories about people who chose to travel overseas and how unfair things are on them when we have people who can't even move around our own country.

Their fault for not being horsey lawyer people I guess.

Neither do I, but events will help the economy, and if they are attended by 20-30 age group who are behind in vaccinations, they will hurry up to get jabbed to partake in the summer of booze and entertainment, getting us closer to a higher vaccination rate and easing restrictions

Playing with numbers, there is an unoffical target of 90%. The Vaccine ID is here in November. The start of November is 3 weeks away. Its not unfeasible to see some easing in November if they get close to 90% even if it stalls. One jab or more is already 78%, maybe 85% will do. Im not sure of the logistics in allowing you to travel outside of Auckland if you have the Vaccine ID. Scan at the checkpoint and off you go, etc. Plus cases yesterday were 18, its not like wildfire up there

Maybe I'm too positive but I just follow the math on this whole thing

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#2790351 6-Oct-2021 07:34

alexx:

You're probably not going to find the exact answer for every scenario, however this seems reasonably convincing.

Delaying second Pfizer vaccines to 12 weeks significantly increases antibody responses in older people, finds study:
https://www.birmingham.ac.uk/news/latest/2021/05/covid-pfizer-vaccination-interval-antibody-response.aspx

Antibody response in people aged over 80 is three-and-a-half times greater in those who have the second dose of the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine after 12 weeks compared to those who have it at a three-week interval.

Perhaps the advantages are not the same for every age and every variant and no one knows what variants we will face in 2022. But the improved antibody responses appear to be more than just a few percentage points.

Covid vaccine: Eight-week gap seen as sweet spot for Pfizer jab antibodies
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57929953

The findings suggest:

both short and long dosing intervals of the Pfizer vaccine generated strong immune responses overall
a three-week schedule generated fewer of the neutralising antibodies that can bind the virus and stop it infecting cells than a 10-week interval
while antibody levels dipped after the first dose, levels of T-cells - a different type of immune cell - remained high
the longer schedule led to fewer T-cells overall but a higher proportion of a specific type or subset, called helper T-cells, which according to the researchers, supports immune memory
It depends on where you live and whether you think that this is the most dangerous time for you and the people around you. Perhaps we will all be vaccinated and be safe by the end of the year, or perhaps we will find that despite that availability of vaccines, the cases will rise like they have elsewhere and the longer gap will protect you better next year.

It's important to note that every study pushing longer gaps is not peer reviewed.

Every country that has pushed their 2nd jab out (incl NZ) has done it to try and increase coverage of people with 1st doses at a time where they were facing restricted vaccine supply. We made this very clear here in NZ at the time that this was our reason for doing so, however this reasoning became very cloudy when media started raising strudies into antibodies.

There are now a number of studies out there pushing this, and it's not well known with one of the UK ones (once again remembering they're not peer reviewed studies) that the agenda of one of these was to justify their move out to a 12 week vaccine gap earlier in the year.

Pfizer recommended guidance for Comirnaty even with it's final FDA/CDC clearance is a 21 day gap that may be extended out to 42 days.

Now none of this is to say that a bigger gap isn't better, but you have to be careful believing something is true just because a study says it is. There are plenty of experts out there who still don't agree either way on this issue, with many pointing out that neutralising antibodies are designed to drop over time with any vaccine and that B cell and T cell responses are the critical part of the immune system response.

There are some concerning aspects of some data which may simply point to the Pfizer vaccine being less effective than some other vaccines. It has less mRNA than the Moderna vaccine, and this is seen by some as a possible reason for the performance not being as good.

What is very clear is that we're in a pandemic still, and with uncontrolled CT occurring in NZ. We have to be realistic to expect that significant CT could easily occur outside Auckland within weeks, and that the most important thing for our country as a whole is to have everybody fully vaccinated ASAP. Looking at that aspect the benefits of moving back to 3 weeks rather than a longer gap makes a lot of sense, and it's the reason why some other countries who pushed out gaps due to vaccine shortages have now reduced them. Victoria did the same last week bring Pfizer back to 3 weeks now supply isn't an issue.

While countries recommending booster doses right now (incl the EU who announced their decision yesterday) are focusing on those who are at risk, it's becoming pretty clear that at least a single booster is probably going to be the reality for all of us.

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#2790352 6-Oct-2021 07:43

I'm disappointed that it looks like mask wearing will remain even when hit vaccinated targets. Short term wearing like shopping in heated areas and not doing anything strenuous is fine.

I'm struggling with the mask wearing. I had to leave a store on the weekend because I couldn't breath comfortably. I've been close to a panic attack at New World because I find it hard to breath (and see!, lol)

I generally take it off the second I leave a premises but it does mean I am less likely to do stuff if it involves compulsory mask wearing.

I think most of it is arbitrary anyway. My mate is a nurse and he said most people wear masks wrong, contaminate them and they don't offer much protection, but it gives us a sense of control.

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