2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2790898 7-Oct-2021 09:20

Handle9:

I agree they are a waste of time without widespread infections, saliva and conventional PCR tests are much better tool for this stage.

I think if used daily by front line staff and those that cross borders daily, going on the science.com paper, they may have a place there. IMO they should still be part of our tool bag regardless for which purpose.

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#2790909 7-Oct-2021 09:31

Now there are groups appearing within media (was on radio interviews) that the roadmap, and easing restrictions is too soon in the future. And will be detrimental because not enough time has been given/people are not jabbed (although in doing so, it made one of the largest days with 18K in a little while so it kinda works going now or never)

Despite the rest of the city forgetting the restrictions that are in place still already leading no doubt to part of making the decision now.

Really is a lose/lose job at the top.

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#2790912 7-Oct-2021 09:34

I guess the point I was making when I said it didn't matter WRT the Mob distributing meth was that it's demand driven - so there's going to be someone shipping, delivering or arranging pick-up for customers even if it's not the MM.

If you target the MM in an attempt to control "our" (NZ society's) little problem with meth, it'll continue to fail just as it always has, whoever took over over the business from the Mob isn't going to be any better complying with lockdown / pandemic controls.

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#2790986 7-Oct-2021 09:53

Fred99:

If you target the MM in an attempt to control "our" (NZ society's) little problem with meth, it'll continue to fail just as it always has, whoever took over over the business from the Mob isn't going to be any better complying with lockdown / pandemic controls.

Which is why all drugs should be legalised and regulated as per the Portuguese example. Meet the demand and get rid of the criminal profits.

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#2790987 7-Oct-2021 09:57

GV27:

They had to give up because they probably knew well before they publicly admitted that there was an underbelly seeding infections who did not respect lockdowns and never would.

I hope NZers have long memories when it comes to remembering this. Gangs are not rotary clubs. However this is verging on political reckoning so I will stop there.

The question is how far has it got during school holidays, and how long until we know about it.

i thought the party line is they have not given up. we are still on elimination and zero tolerance.

aren't we?

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#2790992 7-Oct-2021 10:00

Batman:

i thought the party line is they have not given up. we are still on elimination and zero tolerance.

aren't we?

That makes zero sense.

How can you have rising case numbers and lowering restrictions? That is categorically tolerance of cases.

And once you have tolerance of cases, you are not pursuing elimination. Pretty straightforward.

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#2791004 7-Oct-2021 10:10

ajobbins:

Batman:

i thought the party line is they have not given up. we are still on elimination and zero tolerance.

aren't we?

That makes zero sense.

How can you have rising case numbers and lowering restrictions? That is categorically tolerance of cases.

And once you have tolerance of cases, you are not pursuing elimination. Pretty straightforward.

Yep thats correct. We are using the lockdown/elimination strategy to contain cases until vaccination catches up, everyone here knows that.

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#2791006 7-Oct-2021 10:11

ajobbins:

Batman:

i thought the party line is they have not given up. we are still on elimination and zero tolerance.

aren't we?

That makes zero sense.

How can you have rising case numbers and lowering restrictions? That is categorically tolerance of cases.

And once you have tolerance of cases, you are not pursuing elimination. Pretty straightforward.

It's okay to have rising case numbers and to lower restrictions if you get vaccination rates up high enough to reduce hospitalisations and deaths. "Elimination" by trying to identify and isolate cases and clusters is part of that.

Not that I think NSW did the right thing when they failed to lock down when CT of Delta first appeared and they had low vaccination rates (IIRC ~25%), but now they have a clear reduction in daily new cases, declining hospitalised and ICU, death rate may take longer to show a decline (the death in NZ yesterday, the patient had been hospitalised for 40 days).

We should be able to do much better than that - if everybody gets with the program.

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#2791013 7-Oct-2021 10:14

Oblivian:

Now there are groups appearing within media (was on radio interviews) that the roadmap, and easing restrictions is too soon in the future. And will be detrimental because not enough time has been given/people are not jabbed (although in doing so, it made one of the largest days with 18K in a little while so it kinda works going now or never)

Despite the rest of the city forgetting the restrictions that are in place still already leading no doubt to part of making the decision now.

Really is a lose/lose job at the top.

Likely the same groups that complained it wasn't opening fast enough...

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#2791019 7-Oct-2021 10:25

New Covid-19 testing regime to be announced today (msn.com) Good to see he was just keeping us guessing all along :-)
"However, Hipkins added that rapid-antigen testing has been used during this outbreak and will become a bigger part of the country's Covid-19 response "fairly soon"."

Batman:

i thought the party line is they have not given up. we are still on elimination and zero tolerance.

aren't we?

I thought Jacinda made a comment along the lines of we are unlikely to go back (due to the Raglan case), a day or so ago. I could be wrong.

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#2791024 7-Oct-2021 10:33

Fred99:

It's okay to have rising case numbers and to lower restrictions if you get vaccination rates up high enough to reduce hospitalisations and deaths. "Elimination" by trying to identify and isolate cases and clusters is part of that.

Fred can you please state your qualifications in this field to be making such statements? And are you located in Auckland?
As far as I am aware you are just some guy frustrated with current pandemic handling.
It would be nice if we are going to make commentry on specifics on the pandemic, ie "its okay to", we really should be attaching the qualifications to base those assumptions on. No offense.

Fred99:

Not that I think NSW did the right thing when they failed to lock down when CT of Delta first appeared and they had low vaccination rates (IIRC ~25%), but now they have a clear reduction in daily new cases, declining hospitalised and ICU, death rate may take longer to show a decline (the death in NZ yesterday, the patient had been hospitalised for 40 days).

We should be able to do much better than that - if everybody gets with the program.

Yes, clearly we should, we are in a better position Vax per capita wise, we have stalled long enough to start getting hosp and ICU expected entry levels up.
What we didn't do, is shut the border part. But that is just 1 of the items we HAVE identified that we did wrong.

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#2791027 7-Oct-2021 10:38

Batman: Nah they don't do drugs, no illegal activities, never met anyone during lockdown, didn't visit any location, didn't do nothing. just sit at home watch tv the whole time. no Internet no phones.

Sounds like a number of Wellingtonians I saw arriving at their weekend bach during each lockdown.

TeaLeaf

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#2791029 7-Oct-2021 10:42

martyyn:

Sounds like a number of Wellingtonians I saw arriving at their weekend bach during each lockdown.

ha, much like Aucklanders escaping to Pauanui or Mangawhai, Kerri Kerri and such. See no evil, speak or hear. We are part of the local community, that is my house over there. Luckily none of them hard the virus. Perhaps it identifies an issue. Next lockdown should have borders closed prior to announcement and xyz justifications allowed to leave.
Is our R number to low to calculate?

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#2791032 7-Oct-2021 10:47

TeaLeaf:
I thought Jacinda made a comment along the lines of we are unlikely to go back (due to the Raglan case), a day or so ago. I could be wrong.

Everything we are doing today is the same as we were doing yesterday
and the same as day one of the outbreak. What we’ve simply acknowledged is: seven weeks
of very hard restrictions have not got us to zero. And so we need to plan around that but
continue on with our very aggressive approach.

The Transcript for yesterday is still not up, But CH reaffirmed it.

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#2791036 7-Oct-2021 10:51

TeaLeaf:

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