2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2798062 20-Oct-2021 10:19

sen8or:

So when your freezer breaks down on a weekend and your food is defrosting, you'll refuse the trade who is there to fix your power if not vaccinated or if he/she refuses to divulge their personal medical information?

Yes, I don't know why that is so hard to understand. Unless that person has a genuine medical reason for not being vaccinated then I don't want them in my house. I'll make another phone call, I'll wait another day but I won't let the idiots in my house.

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#2798073 20-Oct-2021 10:54

sen8or:

It will take a bit of gumption for the various industries to stand up to the anti-vaxxers. They ofcourse will be pushing the "my body my choice and you can't force me to vaccinate" message, but their choice comes with potential consequences. They will cry out "we are being discriminated against", but is it really discrimination if their choices have put them in that position?

I get that by being vaccinated, we are somewhat protected against catching / spreading / suffering severe consequences of the virus, but the risk still isn't nil.

Do the rights of those that choose to be vaccinated trump the rights of those that choose not to be?

But it won't be standing up to everyone, like most things now it will be standing up to the group(s) that are ok to stand up against.

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#2798075 20-Oct-2021 10:59

ajobbins:

I fundamentally disagree with this. While it's technically true that there is a vaccine available to anyone who wants to get one, there are significantly higher barriers to getting one parts of the population.

If you can't drive to a clinic but instead need to take a bus, this is significantly harder and will take significantly more time - time you may not have around work or family. I made the point earlier in this thread that it was easy for me to jump in my car, during my work day, and go down to my GP and get vaccinated. What probably took an hour door to door would have probably taken 2.5 if I had to do the same journey on public transport. And I have a flexible job where I could go during my work day without any issues. Many aren't in work situations where they can just head out for an hour at will.

Locating a vaccination clinic is also a challenge in parts of the country. If you live outside a city, you almost certainly are in for a reasonable drive - in some cases maybe 100km or more. Yes, the population density in places where there is less access to a local clinic is lower, but the point stands that not everyone has the same access.

For many people in New Zealand, it's required an order of magnitude more on their part to access a vaccine, and this undoubtably plays a significant part in why certain groups within the population have lower vaccination rates.

Then instead have the vaccinators and support personnel go to the people. Have a vaccinator and a number of support personnel. The person gets vaccinated, the vaccinator goes to the next person , one of the support personnel stays with the vaccinated person for 30 minutes then re joins the vaccinator and so on.

Pay the vaccinator and support personnel a allowance for travel and use of car etc.

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#2798086 20-Oct-2021 11:06

Jas777:

But it won't be standing up to everyone, like most things now it will be standing up to the group(s) that are ok to stand up against.

Based on social and mainstream media, that precludes standing up against anyone -

That is female (because Sexism)

That isn't hetero (because homophobia)

That is "of colour" (because racism)

That is for the environment at all costs (because "the climate")

That is poor / economically challenged (because socialism)

And pretty much any other group that feels hard done by....

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#2798092 20-Oct-2021 11:15

sen8or:

Jas777:

But it won't be standing up to everyone, like most things now it will be standing up to the group(s) that are ok to stand up against.

Based on social and mainstream media, that precludes standing up against anyone -

That is female (because Sexism)

That isn't hetero (because homophobia)

That is "of colour" (because racism)

That is for the environment at all costs (because "the climate")

That is poor / economically challenged (because socialism)

And pretty much any other group that feels hard done by....

Don't forget resentful right-wingers who somehow think they are being unfairly disadvantaged. And don't forget the banhammer, that doesn't approve of political statements on non-political threads.

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#2798096 20-Oct-2021 11:18

Batman:

Buster:

Do the unvaccinated positive cases shedding covid everywhere create extra costs to a business every time they have to shut up shop, deep clean, send staff home.

Who should pay?

didin't we establish a while ago that vaccinated shed the same amount of virus? do correct me!

Less viral load for a shorter duration I thought.

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#2798104 20-Oct-2021 11:32

Press release:

The Government is changing the way managed isolation is co-ordinated for health workers, guaranteeing 300 spots a month for the health and disability sector.

“Our world-class workforce is vital in rebuilding the health system and dealing with the COVID-19 pandemic,” Andrew Little said.

“Whether it’s bringing doctors or nurses in from other places or New Zealanders bringing their skills home, we need to be able to get them into the country and into the workforce.”

At the moment, healthcare and disability workers deemed critical to the country are eligible for MIQ rooms set aside for people with “time-sensitive” travel.

“But they are competing with others who are also in this category, and that’s making it harder for our health services to get some of the people they need,” Andrew Little said.

“Health managers need to be able to bring the people they need into the country and know that they can get them places in MIQ.

“We have already brought in thousands of health workers, but lately employers have been telling me that it’s getting harder to secure places, so we’re sorting that out.

“Under the changes I am announcing today, the Ministry of Health will have priority access to 300 MIQ rooms a month and will work with District Health Boards and Primary Health Organisations to allocate them to the people we need to get here the fastest.”

Health and disability workers who are not citizens or permanent residents will still need proof of a job in New Zealand and must meet immigration requirements.

The new system comes into effect on November 1, with the first rooms allocated in late November.

Health and disability workers critical to the health system will still be eligible for emergency allocations if needed, and any existing bookings for healthcare workers will stand.

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#2798120 20-Oct-2021 11:53

I heard from my mum today who wants to get a haircut (no surprise lol), but she asked if it would be ok if she had it done at a hairdresser's house outside if they were both double jabbed.

I'm actually not sure but I would've thought legally no because social distancing?

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#2798126 20-Oct-2021 11:59

arcon:

I heard from my mum today who wants to get a haircut (no surprise lol), but she asked if it would be ok if she had it done at a hairdresser's house outside if they were both double jabbed.

I'm actually not sure but I would've thought legally no because social distancing?

Correct. Your mum however can cut her own hair, and the hair-dresser can yell encouragement at her from a distance and then charge her a consultation fee.

Improvise, adapt, overcome.

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#2798130 20-Oct-2021 12:11

sen8or:

if he/she refuses to divulge their personal medical information?

It's not like you're asking if they've got an STD or a psychosis. Why would anyone care whether people knew they were vaccinated or not? If you're vaccinated you're just the same as 90% of the population, no big deal. So my expectation is that only the unvaccinated would want to conceal that fact, because they fear that others would see them (correctly) as a potential health risk. Shades of Typhoid Mary.

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#2798132 20-Oct-2021 12:14

GV27:

arcon:

I heard from my mum today who wants to get a haircut (no surprise lol), but she asked if it would be ok if she had it done at a hairdresser's house outside if they were both double jabbed.

I'm actually not sure but I would've thought legally no because social distancing?

Correct. Your mum however can cut her own hair, and the hair-dresser can yell encouragement at her from a distance and then charge her a consultation fee.

Improvise, adapt, overcome.

Scissors with 2m extension handles, and a rake as a comb?

sen8or

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#2798133 20-Oct-2021 12:18

Senecio:

sen8or:

So when your freezer breaks down on a weekend and your food is defrosting, you'll refuse the trade who is there to fix your power if not vaccinated or if he/she refuses to divulge their personal medical information?

Yes, I don't know why that is so hard to understand. Unless that person has a genuine medical reason for not being vaccinated then I don't want them in my house. I'll make another phone call, I'll wait another day but I won't let the idiots in my house.

Its not hard to understand at all, your house, your prerogative, I just find it fascinating peoples appetite for risk is so different. In my scenario above, I'd simply insist on mask, gloves and basic health status, then if I felt compelled to do so, run through the glen20 (or whatever sanitiser I trust) where the tradesman was working.

Maybe its my risk management mentality coming out, everything in life is a risk, some you can eliminate, some you can minimise and others you have to manage with appropriate controls. Right now, in the south island, there is no COVID, will that situation change, absolutely 100% yes, but for now, I am happy to live in a "normal" way. If there was COVID in the community (as the case in Auckland / Waikato) then how I approach things would likely be different.

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#2798134 20-Oct-2021 12:19

Ge0rge:

Scissors with 2m extension handles, and a rake as a comb?

Didn't work out so well for Jeremy when Hillary tried that on 7 sharp :)

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#2798135 20-Oct-2021 12:19

I think Ireland was supposed to be another country to keep an eye on with a population matching ours & very high vax rate, 88.21% of eligible over 12.

https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/

They're really struggling 472 in hospital & 74 in ICU. 7 admitted to the ICU in the last 24hrs & 4 discharged.
10.8% of hospitalisations over the outbreak required ICU.

Jas777

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#2798136 20-Oct-2021 12:22

With reference to lockdown and Christmas and even in level 2 will be interesting to see the number of bars/entertainment business that will see the loss of Christmas money as the last straw and shut down for good.

In Christchurch can see quite a few for who the loss of the cup week and Christmas function money will mean closing down.

As well as the owners and permanent staff, all the students , temps and musicians and sound people etc who will lose income is going to be high.

So any students, temps etc who rely on Christmas money get a vaccine as you won't be getting that money if you don't

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