2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2798189 20-Oct-2021 14:43

sen8or:

Its not hard to understand at all, your house, your prerogative, I just find it fascinating peoples appetite for risk is so different. In my scenario above, I'd simply insist on mask, gloves and basic health status, then if I felt compelled to do so, run through the glen20 (or whatever sanitiser I trust) where the tradesman was working.

Maybe its my risk management mentality coming out, everything in life is a risk, some you can eliminate, some you can minimise and others you have to manage with appropriate controls. Right now, in the south island, there is no COVID, will that situation change, absolutely 100% yes, but for now, I am happy to live in a "normal" way. If there was COVID in the community (as the case in Auckland / Waikato) then how I approach things would likely be different.

The risk to me is quite low, I'm vaccinated. So I may pick up a case of COVID from someone and have minimal/no symptoms. However, there will come a time when we're living with COVID that I won't be required to self isolate. So I'll be out the community, perhaps completely unaware that I have COVID, spreading it further. One of those people that I spread it to may be immuno-compromised and were not able to protect themselves with the vaccine.

That's a risk that I'm not prepared to take. So you're right, it is partly about risk, but not to me.

The other part of it is that I simply despise anti-vaxxers and want absolutely nothing to do with them. Part of me is grateful for COVID as it allows me to identify them easier and eliminate them from my life.

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#2798192 20-Oct-2021 14:44

mattwnz:

See schools are reopening after labour weekend for some years. Was listening to one of the experts speaking to Hoskings, and he was saying Reopening schools is going to increase the paths of transmission that didn't exist under level 3 and 4. Schools are basically reservoirs for disease, and if you have kids you know that they will always bring something back to the home and then it spreads to workplaces from there. Also schools have been some of the biggest clusters in previous outbreaks. As we are now so close to the end of the year, I do wonder if if it is worth the extra cases it will cause.

From my own experience, that was certainly true of kindy (sorry, early childhood learning) and primary school, but once they got to high school, it has been less of a problem. What really got my attention was the comment about years 1-10 possibly not being back at school this year! How many households have work schedule set around school hours for at least one member of the household and what will that do to their commitments? Its a scary thought for some I bet

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#2798193 20-Oct-2021 14:48

tdgeek:

Whats the vax rate for over 60's and with underlying conditions?

The simple answer is they don't know, or wont say

BUT, we know what the general age breakdowns are, and the elderly rates aren't too shabby

65 and over Ist=94.6% 2nd=89.3%

even

50 - 64 years 1st=89.3% and 2nd=77.9%

(as at 19th October)

https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-data-and-statistics/covid-19-vaccine-data#group

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#2798196 20-Oct-2021 14:54

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cddt:

Once there are significant numbers of people dying I imagine a good portion of those people will decide it's time to get it.

As long as "unvaccinated" is front and centre of the daily news. I'm not even sure it is now, is it? Do we get told how many of todays X cases are vaccinated and unvaccinated?

I would like to see multiple stats running

Total Cases - Total Cases in Hospital - Total Cases in ICU - Total Recovered - Average time to recover - Total Deaths

The above for vaccinated (1dose), vaccinated (2 doses) and unvaccinated.

I am sure most of the data is there, but for me, the information around hospitalization % of 1 & 2 doses, along with the progression of hospitalization (to ICU and then recovery or not) split so that its clearly shown against each other as to the efficacy of the vaccine this would further support the need to vaccinate (assuming the data does show this ofcourse).

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#2798199 20-Oct-2021 14:56

mattwnz:

Probably not high enough, I know a few people in that age group who haven't had it. But the current outbreak is mainly hitting younger people and demographics with lower vaccination rates. Age is probably one reason it hasn't resulted in a high number of hospitalizations yet, and it maybe giving people a false sense of security.

That's my feel too. If the vulnerable demographic was well vaccinated, low or no deaths. Plus of course if you are young, its no issue..... I know many with that mindset. They seem to be fixed on themselves rather than of others, unless they have no relative/friends over 40?? :-) Everybody has contact with older people in everyday life, even those they dont know at the frozen foods section in the supermarket. Quite selfish, but its probably cool and trendy as well perhaps

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#2798200 20-Oct-2021 14:58

sen8or:

I would like to see multiple stats running

Total Cases - Total Cases in Hospital - Total Cases in ICU - Total Recovered - Average time to recover - Total Deaths

The above for vaccinated (1dose), vaccinated (2 doses) and unvaccinated.

I am sure most of the data is there, but for me, the information around hospitalization % of 1 & 2 doses, along with the progression of hospitalization (to ICU and then recovery or not) split so that its clearly shown against each other as to the efficacy of the vaccine this would further support the need to vaccinate (assuming the data does show this ofcourse).

100%, it would sell itself. Overseas its an epidemic of the unvaccinated

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#2798204 20-Oct-2021 15:09

wellygary:

BUT, we know what the general age breakdowns are, and the elderly rates aren't too shabby

65 and over Ist=94.6% 2nd=89.3%

This group has had longer than anyone to get jabbed and still hasn't gotten to 90%. It just shows how futile holding on for an indefinite period of time is for the sake of 90%.

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#2798206 20-Oct-2021 15:18

I find myself confused by this:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/126735042/covid19-government-announces-300-miq-spots-a-month-for-health-workers

A Government announcement to set aside 300 managed isolation and quarantine spots each month for international healthcare workers with job offers will make a “noticeable difference” to a sector under strain, the union representing senior doctors says

Delta appears well established in Auckland and we are getting to the stage where positive community cases will be kept at home rather than going into MIQ but it looks like we are still persevering with the MIQ for inbound travellers. With Delta in the community I honestly cannot understand the rationale for keeping MIQ in it's current state especially if the traveller is coming in fully vaccinated and with a negative test.

The above link implies that MIQ will continue as currently for some time when they are talking about months.

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#2798210 20-Oct-2021 15:25

tdgeek:

That's my feel too. If the vulnerable demographic was well vaccinated, low or no deaths. Plus of course if you are young, its no issue..... I know many with that mindset. They seem to be fixed on themselves rather than of others, unless they have no relative/friends over 40?? :-) Everybody has contact with older people in everyday life, even those they dont know at the frozen foods section in the supermarket. Quite selfish, but its probably cool and trendy as well perhaps

More information about who is giving it to who and where is also needed. High level numbers are easy to ignore but situational ones are not. If it is shown that a 20-39 gives it to their older relatives that may have more of an effect.

Plus I also wonder if the fact the news channels or social media, normal media are talking about it so much that people are switching off. Plus the scare factor doesn't work anymore because people just think here we go again with yet another story it.

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#2798213 20-Oct-2021 15:34

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#2798220 20-Oct-2021 15:35

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/in-depth/450874/covid-19-data-visualisations-nz-in-numbers

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#2798241 20-Oct-2021 16:38

from https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/20-10-2021/live-updates-october-20-daily-covid-numbers-could-get-into-the-high-hundreds-says-hipkins/

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#2798246 20-Oct-2021 16:48

cshwone:

I find myself confused by this:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/126735042/covid19-government-announces-300-miq-spots-a-month-for-health-workers

A Government announcement to set aside 300 managed isolation and quarantine spots each month for international healthcare workers with job offers will make a “noticeable difference” to a sector under strain, the union representing senior doctors says

It's purely a political announcement to say that the government is trying to solve a problem of their own making,

Immigration has a specific border exception for healthcare worker, and MBIE is supposed to prioritise applications from DHB's for spots, but it sounds like the system is so byzantine that MBIE have been playing DHB's off against each other so that they can use spots for other people they think are a higher priority.

If MIQ is modified to allow home isolation, then this will all change too, but the Govt is taking so much heat on this they have to be seen to be doing something...