Still a little frustrated we now have to wait another week for retail and it being portrayed as 'a lowering' - it's an extension of another week.

The madness of it all that my parents can visit me at the business I work as customers, but I cannot be in their home. 

I mean I have been meaning to show them some of our product and the cool stuff we have, but it also makes me wonder whether smart retail will hold 'friends and families' evenings as a means of killing two birds with one stone.

GV27:

 

Still a little frustrated we now have to wait another week for retail and it being portrayed as 'a lowering' - it's an extension of another week.

 

The madness of it all that my parents can visit me at the business I work as customers, but I cannot be in their home. 

 

I mean I have been meaning to show them some of our product and the cool stuff we have, but it also makes me wonder whether smart retail will hold 'friends and families' evenings as a means of killing two birds with one stone.

 

I still really struggle with comprehending how the PM could literally spent 5 mins justifying why opening next week was perfectly safe because retail poses very little risk of increased cases, but then when asked why shops can't open this week in that case, then double down and pretty much say it's because it's too risky.

It's really is a good idea that more of the 1pm standups are being cancelled because they've gone well beyond being informative now. Rolling out Hendy to tell us we were all going to catch Covid has really divided the nation, so it was at least good to see Bloomfield's 15 min presentation yesterday pretty much tell us that isn't going to happen.

GV27: Still a little frustrated we now have to wait another week for retail and it being portrayed as 'a lowering' - it's an extension of another week.

Batman: Yeah I'm not sure what they're trying to achieve. Maybe buy time for Christmas for the rest of the country or something.

Whatever it is they're not saying. But whatever it is, it's a time buying exercise for something or nothing objective just buying time for the sake of buying time.

Oh, it almost certainly is and I think Ardern has said as much yesterday - that the extra week gives them time to get more vaccinces etc. 

But they're also resolutely holding firm to that 90% across all DHBs so we're at least three weeks away from the traffic light system. At which point we'll go into....red? 

I don't think we've spent a week at one level, it's usually two to 'assess the changes', so that takes us through to past mid-November before Step Three is on the cards. And then we hit the 29th.

So, it's basically a done-deal at this point that the best case scenario is mid-November for being inside with families, and then 29/11 for the traffic light system. 

And also, relistening to the presser yesterday, Ardern sending a strong message that Covid is going to get into every bit of NZ, and it's not just an Auckland problem... very strongly hinting that Aucklanders will be travelling over Xmas/NYE and now is their chance to get their vaccination rates. 

Given it will be borderline (heh) impossible to check vaccine passports for every single person at the border and there's no way in hell that Aucklanders will be able to get tests in the days between Xmas and NYE, she's warming people up for the removal of the hard border. 

I just wish they'd actually say it.

trig42:

 

I'm prerttty sure there are a lot of cases not getting tested, becasue they know they'll be forced into isolation and they dont want to.

 

This could be what's happening in Chch. It's almost certainly happening Waikato all the way north to Northland.

 

My guess is that it's much more widespread than we think, and most of these cases will be asymptomatic (which you'd expect with a lot of vaccinated people too).

 

The fact we're seeing so many cases simply from people who show up at hospital for unrelated health matters is proof there are far more cases out there. Mandatory MIQ is draconian and has very clearly backfired because people aren't willing to be tested for fear of being forced into quarantine.

Unless the govt is actually planning to cancel summer and I prevent Aucklanders leaving at Xmas (if by some miracle we don't have nationwide spread within the next 5-6 weeks) I really just don't know how mandatory MIQ for overseas arrivals until the end of March is going to work when we'll have nationwide spread of the virus and will simply be living with it well before then.

sbiddle:I still really struggle with comprehending how the PM could literally spent 5 mins justifying why opening next week was perfectly safe because retail poses very little risk of increased cases, but then when asked why shops can't open this week in that case, then double down and pretty much say it's because it's too risky.

What I heard was that Auckland business would need this week to get organised to open next week.

Buster:

 

What I heard was that Auckland business would need this week to get organised to open next week.

 

We've 'come out of L3' a few times now. If you're ordering perishable goods as inventory then maybe, but many cafes have been operating click and collect or contactlessly under L3 anyway. 

So I'm not really sure that's a good enough reason given Auckland businesses are reasonably practiced at this. 

GV27:So, it's basically a done-deal at this point that the best case scenario is mid-November for being inside with families, and then 29/11 for the traffic light system. 

This thing has only dragged on for so long because too many people have been 'being inside with other families' and giving each other Covid when they were asked not too.

GV27:We've 'come out of L3' a few times now. If you're ordering perishable goods as inventory then maybe, but many cafes have been operating click and collect or contactlessly under L3 anyway. 

 

So I'm not really sure that's a good enough reason given Auckland businesses are reasonably practiced at this. 

I'm neither agreeing or disagreeing, just repeating what she said.

Buster:

 

GV27:So, it's basically a done-deal at this point that the best case scenario is mid-November for being inside with families, and then 29/11 for the traffic light system. 

 

This thing has only dragged on for so long because too many people have been 'being inside with other families' and giving each other Covid when they were asked not too.

 

...and those people were likely always going to do that anyway. If your model assumes that everyone is going to follow all the rules, all the time, it's not fit for purpose.

The Venn circles on a diagram showing number of people who will follow the rules AND who haven't already got their first vaccination must be about a mile apart, while the people who haven't followed those rules are unlikely to start now. 

GV27:

 

Buster:

 

What I heard was that Auckland business would need this week to get organised to open next week.

 

 

We've 'come out of L3' a few times now. If you're ordering perishable goods as inventory then maybe, but many cafes have been operating click and collect or contactlessly under L3 anyway. 

 

So I'm not really sure that's a good enough reason given Auckland businesses are reasonably practiced at this. 

 

Cafes and restaurants can't open next week, only bricks and mortar retail stores.

I'm really not sure what "preparations" are needed.. Most shops could open immediately, and if you can't then what is the issue? It's only the shop that's going to be affected.

Buster:

 

GV27:We've 'come out of L3' a few times now. If you're ordering perishable goods as inventory then maybe, but many cafes have been operating click and collect or contactlessly under L3 anyway. 

 

So I'm not really sure that's a good enough reason given Auckland businesses are reasonably practiced at this. 

 

I'm neither agreeing or disagreeing, just repeating what she said.

 

May as well just open up and damn the consequences, that seems to be the theme here now